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What I just don't get is how these teens who were supposedly so internet and media savvy and established huge followings based on "being honest" or somesuch cou

What I just don't get is how these teens who were supposedly so internet and media savvy and established huge followings based on "being honest" or somesuch couldn't see that deliberately posting low-quality content which was fundamentally dishonest (the opposite of what they'd been doing) was just as certainly going to hurt them. ...and that thousands of teenagers are apparently involved in this kind of thing, it's probably safe to call it "widespread". Clearly there's a lapse here, but I'm uncertain if it's an ethics problem or simply an educational problem (we didn't teach them not to deliberately poop into the internet).

Raphmedia 11y ago
> deliberately poop into the internet Take a look at the Youtube Poop movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_Poop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_Poop
xlm1717 11y ago
They're teens, good judgment is something they're still working on developing.
- jdmichal 11y ago
  I'm over 30, and it's occasionally made obvious to me that good judgement is something that I'm still working on. It's a skill and like anything other skill in life, starting early and lifetime learning is the best solution.
mhurron 11y ago
> supposedly This is the reason. Kids and teens are not anything savvy in reality, and specifically are no more internet savvy than anyone else.
- lostgame 11y ago
  Umm...pardon me? I'm pretty sure kids under 20 are far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. Just because there's a small percentage of 20-50-somethings who actually understand or use it, doesn't mean there's not a huge percentage of 7-year-olds who understand technology infinitely better than their parents. This is the norm, not an exception. Proof? Let's take something super-recent - Microsoft's ludicrous failure with 'Tay.' The lack of 4chan/reddit-proofing indicates how wildly out of touch the previous generation is with the internet of the current generation. It's sad.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    Not really, no. The current generation of kids is growing up with the Internet, but that doesn't mean they're automatically "tech-savvy" or "Internet-savvy". For most, it's just another magic box. I think it's time to bring up this classic: http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-comput.... RE Tay fiaso, I wouldn't blame it on previous generation being out of touch. Programming is a mainstream discipline now, most programmers are out of touch with the messier side of the Internet just like most kids these days.
    - naveen99 11y ago
      Fun stories from tech support. But why is he trying to "clean viruses". He should be just saving some data, and then reinstalling from scratch... Also, while ios isn't quite as open as desktop oses, at least it has an sdk and we have internet. Growing up, I couldn't write software for my nintendo as easily as for ios.
  - dsp1234 11y ago
    far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. Counterpoint: My mother will not post personally identifying information online because she's afraid that it will be used against her later in life. Part of being internet-savvy is understanding that the internet never forgets, and that sooner or later what you say be used against you.
  - mhurron 11y ago
    First off it was a 16 year old. I have more experience using the internet than they have experience living. Extend that out to 25 year olds and I have more experience dealing with desktop computers in general than they have living. No, people under 20 do not have the most experience online. That 7 year old doesn't understand anything about what they're using, it has been made so that they don't have to. People mistake no fear of using something as experience and knowledge of that thing. That 7 year old doesn't understand shit, they're just not scared of braking it and having to pay for a replacement. The majority of teens fall in to this as well. We don't mistake the almost ubiquitous use of cars in the US as an indicator that the US population is 'car savvy,' so why do we do it with computers, cell phones and the internet when in reality you need to know just as much about how they work as how your car does in order to use it? Simple use is not understanding. And Tay is a better example of the failure of American society to raise people than anything else. Microsoft didn't have these problems in Japan or China. And honestly, you want to talk about outliers and than use 4chan users as some example of 'the current generation?' Hell 4chan users themselves are not some coherent group.
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Raphmedia 11y ago

> deliberately poop into the internet Take a look at the Youtube Poop movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_Poop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_Poop

xlm1717 11y ago

They're teens, good judgment is something they're still working on developing.

jdmichal 11y ago
I'm over 30, and it's occasionally made obvious to me that good judgement is something that I'm still working on. It's a skill and like anything other skill in life, starting early and lifetime learning is the best solution.

mhurron 11y ago

> supposedly This is the reason. Kids and teens are not anything savvy in reality, and specifically are no more internet savvy than anyone else.

lostgame 11y ago
Umm...pardon me? I'm pretty sure kids under 20 are far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. Just because there's a small percentage of 20-50-somethings who actually understand or use it, doesn't mean there's not a huge percentage of 7-year-olds who understand technology infinitely better than their parents. This is the norm, not an exception. Proof? Let's take something super-recent - Microsoft's ludicrous failure with 'Tay.' The lack of 4chan/reddit-proofing indicates how wildly out of touch the previous generation is with the internet of the current generation. It's sad.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  Not really, no. The current generation of kids is growing up with the Internet, but that doesn't mean they're automatically "tech-savvy" or "Internet-savvy". For most, it's just another magic box. I think it's time to bring up this classic: http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-comput.... RE Tay fiaso, I wouldn't blame it on previous generation being out of touch. Programming is a mainstream discipline now, most programmers are out of touch with the messier side of the Internet just like most kids these days.
  - naveen99 11y ago
    Fun stories from tech support. But why is he trying to "clean viruses". He should be just saving some data, and then reinstalling from scratch... Also, while ios isn't quite as open as desktop oses, at least it has an sdk and we have internet. Growing up, I couldn't write software for my nintendo as easily as for ios.
- dsp1234 11y ago
  far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. Counterpoint: My mother will not post personally identifying information online because she's afraid that it will be used against her later in life. Part of being internet-savvy is understanding that the internet never forgets, and that sooner or later what you say be used against you.
- mhurron 11y ago
  First off it was a 16 year old. I have more experience using the internet than they have experience living. Extend that out to 25 year olds and I have more experience dealing with desktop computers in general than they have living. No, people under 20 do not have the most experience online. That 7 year old doesn't understand anything about what they're using, it has been made so that they don't have to. People mistake no fear of using something as experience and knowledge of that thing. That 7 year old doesn't understand shit, they're just not scared of braking it and having to pay for a replacement. The majority of teens fall in to this as well. We don't mistake the almost ubiquitous use of cars in the US as an indicator that the US population is 'car savvy,' so why do we do it with computers, cell phones and the internet when in reality you need to know just as much about how they work as how your car does in order to use it? Simple use is not understanding. And Tay is a better example of the failure of American society to raise people than anything else. Microsoft didn't have these problems in Japan or China. And honestly, you want to talk about outliers and than use 4chan users as some example of 'the current generation?' Hell 4chan users themselves are not some coherent group.

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