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Could you elaborate please?

by victorr 11y ago

untog 11y ago
I assume the OP strongly dislike HFS. I don't know enough about it myself, but I have relatively low standards for my dev machine - HFS has never failed me.
- baldfat 11y ago
  I pray that stays true for you. BUT please look on making sure your backup system is flawless AKA not Time Machine.
baldfat 11y ago
http://www.cio.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probably-the-worst-file-system-ever.html http://www.cio.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs... HFS is the worst file system and it has effected me several times and I avoid Macs and OS X like the plague.
- Demiurge 11y ago
  Your experience could be fact, but in about 10 years of using MacBooks for work, it has effected me about 2 times, yet I had way more issues with sound/graphics/sleep/projection/skype/internationalization on the Linux distros I have tried. I don't mean to start a flame war, but there is probably a reason you see MacBooks at linux conferences, and FS bugs are not a huge factor.
  - baldfat 11y ago
    > sound/graphics/sleep/projection/skype/internationalization on the Linux distros Paper Cuts HFS+ problems are a disaster. I lost 2 10 hour days of video edits and work and my backup were also garbage. > FS bugs are not a huge factor You know you are not seeing things clearly when you say statements like that.
    - Demiurge 11y ago
      > Paper Cuts Those things preventing the system from being usable one way, or another. So, for my experience, worse than paper cuts. Not to mention there is a great idiom about death by paper cuts. > HFS+ problems are a disaster. I lost 2 10 hour days of video edits and work and my backup were also garbage. I haven't. No one else I know has. You're missing my point that this is anecdotal data. It's not a disaster if it's not impacting enough users. > You know you are not seeing things clearly when you say statements like that. You know you are not seeing things clearly when you think you know how clearly someone is seeing things. I know, for example, not to store Cyrillic music names on my MBP after I hit a bug. I have also read how bad HDF+ is, legacy wise. However, that's one factor of usability, among many. I've lost more raids than hfs+ files. Every filesystem has bugs, whether it's a huge factor or not is whether enough people encounter them or not.
      - baldfat 11y ago
        Just do a little research on HFS+ issues. It is not a small problem. This was one of the reasons why the OS X server was killed. Some limitations that really do have a major impact on people: (Features Missing) data checksums nanosecond timestamps concurrent access (let more than one process at the time access the filesystem) checksumming snapshotting longer time frame (February 6 2040 for HFS+) sparse file support real hard links
        Demiurge 11y ago
        Fortunately, the impact is not major enough to prevent me from being a happy MBP user.
    - sdegutis 11y ago
      You lost a few hours of work because of Apple's probably-legitimately terrible filesystem. I lost days and days and days of work trying to configure Linux to just act sane and normal and do the right thing with my hardware. And I lost years and years of our only backups of family photos. We are missing all photos of our eldest son from birth until age 4 or 5, or our eldest daughter until probably 2 years old. I take some blame for trying to use Linux when I should have accepted the fact that it's only to be touched by gods-among-men, and this was back in 2007 or so. But Apple has not failed me nearly as badly as Linux has.

Could you elaborate please?

by victorr 11y ago

Could you elaborate please?

untog 11y ago

I assume the OP strongly dislike HFS. I don't know enough about it myself, but I have relatively low standards for my dev machine - HFS has never failed me.

baldfat 11y ago
I pray that stays true for you. BUT please look on making sure your backup system is flawless AKA not Time Machine.

baldfat 11y ago

http://www.cio.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probably-the-worst-file-system-ever.html http://www.cio.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs... HFS is the worst file system and it has effected me several times and I avoid Macs and OS X like the plague.

Demiurge 11y ago
Your experience could be fact, but in about 10 years of using MacBooks for work, it has effected me about 2 times, yet I had way more issues with sound/graphics/sleep/projection/skype/internationalization on the Linux distros I have tried. I don't mean to start a flame war, but there is probably a reason you see MacBooks at linux conferences, and FS bugs are not a huge factor.
- baldfat 11y ago
  > sound/graphics/sleep/projection/skype/internationalization on the Linux distros Paper Cuts HFS+ problems are a disaster. I lost 2 10 hour days of video edits and work and my backup were also garbage. > FS bugs are not a huge factor You know you are not seeing things clearly when you say statements like that.
  - Demiurge 11y ago
    > Paper Cuts Those things preventing the system from being usable one way, or another. So, for my experience, worse than paper cuts. Not to mention there is a great idiom about death by paper cuts. > HFS+ problems are a disaster. I lost 2 10 hour days of video edits and work and my backup were also garbage. I haven't. No one else I know has. You're missing my point that this is anecdotal data. It's not a disaster if it's not impacting enough users. > You know you are not seeing things clearly when you say statements like that. You know you are not seeing things clearly when you think you know how clearly someone is seeing things. I know, for example, not to store Cyrillic music names on my MBP after I hit a bug. I have also read how bad HDF+ is, legacy wise. However, that's one factor of usability, among many. I've lost more raids than hfs+ files. Every filesystem has bugs, whether it's a huge factor or not is whether enough people encounter them or not.
    - baldfat 11y ago
      Just do a little research on HFS+ issues. It is not a small problem. This was one of the reasons why the OS X server was killed. Some limitations that really do have a major impact on people: (Features Missing) data checksums nanosecond timestamps concurrent access (let more than one process at the time access the filesystem) checksumming snapshotting longer time frame (February 6 2040 for HFS+) sparse file support real hard links
      - Demiurge 11y ago
        Fortunately, the impact is not major enough to prevent me from being a happy MBP user.
  - sdegutis 11y ago
    You lost a few hours of work because of Apple's probably-legitimately terrible filesystem. I lost days and days and days of work trying to configure Linux to just act sane and normal and do the right thing with my hardware. And I lost years and years of our only backups of family photos. We are missing all photos of our eldest son from birth until age 4 or 5, or our eldest daughter until probably 2 years old. I take some blame for trying to use Linux when I should have accepted the fact that it's only to be touched by gods-among-men, and this was back in 2007 or so. But Apple has not failed me nearly as badly as Linux has.