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> because otherwise when Google disappears I'll lose a lot of useful material I have access to at the moment. Could you explain that ? Why would google disapp

> because otherwise when Google disappears I'll lose a lot of useful material I have access to at the moment. Could you explain that ? Why would google disappear ?

stegosaurus 11y ago
Lazy language, perhaps. Ultimately, I doubt that every piece of media that is currently on YouTube will be available for as long as I need them. That could be a year, or it could be fifty. For my purposes, if a video gets taken down, it's lost forever, I probably won't be able to find it again. But 'Guinea Pig Noises Loud Squeaking Sounds.mp4' lives on my hard-drive forever. ;) I feel the same way about webpages really. wget -> it's mine until my hard-drive and all backups die. bookmark -> it's mine until my hard-drive and all backups die, PLUS the site goes down. Also immutable, which can be a bonus.
- bduerst 11y ago
  But if you didn't contribute to the cost of making those guinea pig noises, however small they may seem, you don't have the right to that access that content infinitely.
  - stegosaurus 11y ago
    If you are interested in my views on copyright infringement, you might find this comment useful (commenting on ad blockers). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11422763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11422763 It probably makes sense for me to formulate the argument properly and write it up at some point. In this particular instance - I'm not sure that the amount paid is relevant - the desires of the publishers would be, which doesn't necessarily include payment (otherwise no-one would publish under GPL). It's potentially a violation of the ToS of YouTube - I wouldn't know, I use a commandline tool which bypasses the web interface entirely. Sorry Google! I'm sure you'll do OK. (Do you have a donation address? :P)
    - bduerst 11y ago
      I'm not sure how your view on ad blocking is entitling you to infinite media consumption of IP you didn't contribute to. Advertisers didn't make these hypothetical guinea pig sounds you like, I'm assuming. And my views personally represent my own, not an organization, which is why I don't hide behind a dinosaur name :)
      - stegosaurus 11y ago
        Sorry, it's the best I can do for now. We'll have to agree to disagree. :)
        bduerst 11y ago
        Oh come on now, I was hoping you had actually rationalized something that wasn't self serving. Maybe you should switch to username non-sequitursaurus :)
slayed0 11y ago
Who knows. Their point is that they now have control over the content and aren't subject to the whims of an external body. I have felt the pain of this as about 25% (!) of the videos in my youtube favorites list have been removed either by Google or the original uploader over the years.
mentos 11y ago
When the sun expands into a red giant?

> because otherwise when Google disappears I'll lose a lot of useful material I have access to at the moment. Could you explain that ? Why would google disappear ?

stegosaurus 11y ago

Lazy language, perhaps. Ultimately, I doubt that every piece of media that is currently on YouTube will be available for as long as I need them. That could be a year, or it could be fifty. For my purposes, if a video gets taken down, it's lost forever, I probably won't be able to find it again. But 'Guinea Pig Noises Loud Squeaking Sounds.mp4' lives on my hard-drive forever. ;) I feel the same way about webpages really. wget -> it's mine until my hard-drive and all backups die. bookmark -> it's mine until my hard-drive and all backups die, PLUS the site goes down. Also immutable, which can be a bonus.

bduerst 11y ago
But if you didn't contribute to the cost of making those guinea pig noises, however small they may seem, you don't have the right to that access that content infinitely.
- stegosaurus 11y ago
  If you are interested in my views on copyright infringement, you might find this comment useful (commenting on ad blockers). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11422763 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11422763 It probably makes sense for me to formulate the argument properly and write it up at some point. In this particular instance - I'm not sure that the amount paid is relevant - the desires of the publishers would be, which doesn't necessarily include payment (otherwise no-one would publish under GPL). It's potentially a violation of the ToS of YouTube - I wouldn't know, I use a commandline tool which bypasses the web interface entirely. Sorry Google! I'm sure you'll do OK. (Do you have a donation address? :P)
  - bduerst 11y ago
    I'm not sure how your view on ad blocking is entitling you to infinite media consumption of IP you didn't contribute to. Advertisers didn't make these hypothetical guinea pig sounds you like, I'm assuming. And my views personally represent my own, not an organization, which is why I don't hide behind a dinosaur name :)
    - stegosaurus 11y ago
      Sorry, it's the best I can do for now. We'll have to agree to disagree. :)
      - bduerst 11y ago
        Oh come on now, I was hoping you had actually rationalized something that wasn't self serving. Maybe you should switch to username non-sequitursaurus :)

slayed0 11y ago

Who knows. Their point is that they now have control over the content and aren't subject to the whims of an external body. I have felt the pain of this as about 25% (!) of the videos in my youtube favorites list have been removed either by Google or the original uploader over the years.

mentos 11y ago

When the sun expands into a red giant?