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Where does it say that? You seem to be set against this so under what conditions could Apple (or anybody else) sell refurbished phones that would be acceptable

Where does it say that? You seem to be set against this so under what conditions could Apple (or anybody else) sell refurbished phones that would be acceptable to you? Or do they become problem immediately once they are not new?

shripadk 11y ago
Does Apple state that the recycling policy applies to any phone irrespective of how many hands has been changed in the process? Would you be willing to buy a second hand refurbished phone from Apple if the recycling policy does not apply for the second hand phone?
- sokoloff 11y ago
  Since the alternative would be "there is no market for reuse of once-used phone", the recycling policy would not deter me. Apple as a seller and I as a buyer are making the world better by providing a secondary market for high-level re-use rather than component/elemental level recycling or landfilling. IOW, the recycling policy DOES apply, IMO, even if there is no downstream from my use recycling intent (which I think is still an open question from the text and the overall good results Apple gets on recycling). As a US consumer, I generally buy and use 13-18 month old iPhones until they no longer reliably function or until the battery life is too poor, then I go buy another one-generation old phone. Apple has nothing to do with this, other than keeping the upgrade treadmill going for everyone else so I can get my $200-250 used phones to put on an MVNO (Ting in my case).
  - shripadk 11y ago
    "there is no market for reuse of once-used phone" That is not the case. There is already a thriving market for reused phones in India. However this is already creating a massive problem of e-waste and hazards. Read this article: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11211916 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1121191.... Note that the article linked to is of 2007. You can imagine the amount of e-waste India has imported since then. If Apple's policy includes second hand recycling then there would be no barriers to entry. It would be good if Apple made it clear. There are too many old phones that are available in the secondary market. This is already creating a lot of e-waste which India doesn't have the resources to dispose off. The only other solution is for India to dump this e-waste to even lesser developing countries but that would be shrugging away responsibility. The other problem is that, by giving Apple permission, India would set a precedent. If Apple is given permission to sell second hand phones, don't you think other mobile manufactures like Sony/Samsung/Karbon etc would also want similar permissions? They would be happy to create "recycling policies" on paper if that would ensure them access to India's secondary market. The question is who will enforce it?

shripadk 11y ago

Does Apple state that the recycling policy applies to any phone irrespective of how many hands has been changed in the process? Would you be willing to buy a second hand refurbished phone from Apple if the recycling policy does not apply for the second hand phone?

sokoloff 11y ago
Since the alternative would be "there is no market for reuse of once-used phone", the recycling policy would not deter me. Apple as a seller and I as a buyer are making the world better by providing a secondary market for high-level re-use rather than component/elemental level recycling or landfilling. IOW, the recycling policy DOES apply, IMO, even if there is no downstream from my use recycling intent (which I think is still an open question from the text and the overall good results Apple gets on recycling). As a US consumer, I generally buy and use 13-18 month old iPhones until they no longer reliably function or until the battery life is too poor, then I go buy another one-generation old phone. Apple has nothing to do with this, other than keeping the upgrade treadmill going for everyone else so I can get my $200-250 used phones to put on an MVNO (Ting in my case).
- shripadk 11y ago
  "there is no market for reuse of once-used phone" That is not the case. There is already a thriving market for reused phones in India. However this is already creating a massive problem of e-waste and hazards. Read this article: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11211916 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1121191.... Note that the article linked to is of 2007. You can imagine the amount of e-waste India has imported since then. If Apple's policy includes second hand recycling then there would be no barriers to entry. It would be good if Apple made it clear. There are too many old phones that are available in the secondary market. This is already creating a lot of e-waste which India doesn't have the resources to dispose off. The only other solution is for India to dump this e-waste to even lesser developing countries but that would be shrugging away responsibility. The other problem is that, by giving Apple permission, India would set a precedent. If Apple is given permission to sell second hand phones, don't you think other mobile manufactures like Sony/Samsung/Karbon etc would also want similar permissions? They would be happy to create "recycling policies" on paper if that would ensure them access to India's secondary market. The question is who will enforce it?