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Black and white thinking. Content creators still need to get paid. I'd be quite upset if my favorite sites had to shut down due to the rise of ad blocking and n

Black and white thinking. Content creators still need to get paid. I'd be quite upset if my favorite sites had to shut down due to the rise of ad blocking and non-viable alternatives to ads (like "subscriptions", etc...)

cm2187 11y ago
But if their way to get paid is to track me across websites I have no moral problem with preventing it.
Spooky23 11y ago
Content creator business models are not my problem. If they want to get paid, they need to figure that out. By globalizing their reach, most content shops entered into a race to the bottom where they cannot win. That's why you have these tiers of auctions for inventory that slide down the food chain in terms of quality as the price falls. Traditionally, successful media has been local, local, local in scope. That remains true, although everything is being reshuffled. Media outlets that remain alive have some sort of scope limitation that makes their ad inventory more valuable and reduces their exposure/dependency to Facebook.
fucking_tragedy 11y ago
Black and white thinking. Content creators can still get paid. They just need to figure out a business model that doesn't hijack my browsing session, use the limited mobile data I'm allotted and pay for each month to serve unwanted content, drain my battery, eat my CPU, track my reading/surfing/porn habits and potentially run malicious code on my machines.
- ssharp 11y ago
  You seem to think content creators sit in some evil dungeon, plotting out ways to screw their readers with ads. That's not really it at all. There are a limited number of ad networks out there and publishers attach themselves to one or more of them. At that point, the publisher is largely clear of the process, unless they're negotiating custom deals of some sort, which happens with larger sites but is far less common than small sites. The people doing the tracking aren't the content sites -- it's the ad networks. As a publisher, I'm not privy to your personal details.
  - fucking_tragedy 11y ago
    I'm under no such impression. Thanks for the image, though. I am under the impression that they are okay with or ambivalent towards tactics used by the ad-networks, because they'll block you for using an adblocker.
    - ssharp 11y ago
      What's the reasonable alternative?
      - darpa_escapee 11y ago
        Not my problem.
tomp 11y ago
If they can't get paid without manipulating the public into buying stuff (i.e. ads), they don't deserve to get paid.

cm2187 11y ago

But if their way to get paid is to track me across websites I have no moral problem with preventing it.

Spooky23 11y ago

Content creator business models are not my problem. If they want to get paid, they need to figure that out. By globalizing their reach, most content shops entered into a race to the bottom where they cannot win. That's why you have these tiers of auctions for inventory that slide down the food chain in terms of quality as the price falls. Traditionally, successful media has been local, local, local in scope. That remains true, although everything is being reshuffled. Media outlets that remain alive have some sort of scope limitation that makes their ad inventory more valuable and reduces their exposure/dependency to Facebook.

fucking_tragedy 11y ago

Black and white thinking. Content creators can still get paid. They just need to figure out a business model that doesn't hijack my browsing session, use the limited mobile data I'm allotted and pay for each month to serve unwanted content, drain my battery, eat my CPU, track my reading/surfing/porn habits and potentially run malicious code on my machines.

ssharp 11y ago
You seem to think content creators sit in some evil dungeon, plotting out ways to screw their readers with ads. That's not really it at all. There are a limited number of ad networks out there and publishers attach themselves to one or more of them. At that point, the publisher is largely clear of the process, unless they're negotiating custom deals of some sort, which happens with larger sites but is far less common than small sites. The people doing the tracking aren't the content sites -- it's the ad networks. As a publisher, I'm not privy to your personal details.
- fucking_tragedy 11y ago
  I'm under no such impression. Thanks for the image, though. I am under the impression that they are okay with or ambivalent towards tactics used by the ad-networks, because they'll block you for using an adblocker.
  - ssharp 11y ago
    What's the reasonable alternative?
    - darpa_escapee 11y ago
      Not my problem.

tomp 11y ago

If they can't get paid without manipulating the public into buying stuff (i.e. ads), they don't deserve to get paid.