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I try to be open minded; I try to appreciate the style; I try to pretend it's not just a glorification of criminality, immorality and shallowness, but with ever

I try to be open minded; I try to appreciate the style; I try to pretend it's not just a glorification of criminality, immorality and shallowness, but with every song I listen, I get closer to the conclusion that it's the same goddamn piece of rap. Would anybody care to prove me wrong?

scorciapino 17y ago
I hope my downvoters enjoy the beauty and art of "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the fuck out after you're done"
- psawaya 17y ago
  Give this a try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiYDJ432b0U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiYDJ432b0U
- andrewljohnson 17y ago
  Are you going to throw the Rolling Stones and hundreds of other classic rock bands under the bus too, because they use swear words and talk about all the girls they boink? If you ask me, those lyrics are awesome and memorable. You have to be pretty tightly wound to take them seriously.
  - scotty79 17y ago
    It's not about swear words. It's about lack of any meaningful content. Just bragging, trying to shock by disgusting and being an asshole to everyone, especially woman and police. Instead of thousands rap songs you could have only two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk
    - andrewljohnson 17y ago
      Similarly, instead of thousands of books, many postulate you could have just 3-4, but they are just talking about the plot. You may find a lot of similarities in the words of rap songs, but if you took the time to listen to a lot of rap music, then you would know there are a whole range of beats, harmonies, instrumental work, sampling, and other techniques that make rap as interesting as any other music. This is silly though. I have heard thousands of rap songs, and you clearly have not. I can quote rap lyrics, and you cannot. I can drum out the beat to a rap song, and understand its uniqueness, but you cannot. So, why should I argue with you? Go educate yourself, and then we can talk. I wouldn't talk to a non-programmer about the merits of protypical inheritance, and I see no reason to talk to you further about rap music. This comment is even a waste of time, but you and Scorp's mindless drivel gets under my skin.
      - cubix 17y ago
        I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music. I can take something from almost every other genre of music, but I'm bored to death by rap. I could overlook the violence and crassness if I could see (or hear) some redeeming virtues, yet they have always eluded me. Is there a particular song or album you would recommend to experience the genre at its best? What makes it interesting to you?
        andrewljohnson 17y ago
        This very popular song by Wyclef Jean is musically awesome, has great lyrics, and while it talks about "thug life" and prostitution, I don't think it's particularly offensive to women, nor does it glorify violence. I even like the use of auto-tune here. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/wyclefjean/sweetestgirldollarbill.html http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/wyclefjean/sweetestgirldollar... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aj1sznTdLM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aj1sznTdLM
        cubix 17y ago
        Isn't this more contemporary R&B? Although it makes use of a hiphop rhythm, and there is some rap interjected here and there, it's not really what you would call a rap song, is it? Also, I was hoping for something considered really great in the genre, something your children will listen when it's no longer fashionable. This song, while not terribly offensive, seems rather vanilla and it's hard to imagine people listening to it in a couple of years, let alone decades from now. I doubt Autotune will age well.
andrewljohnson 17y ago
Sounds like you are not open-minded at all, no matter how hard you try. I tend to prefer rock, blues, and jazz, but there is definitely something to be appreciated in a lot of rap music. Tupac Shakur, Bone Thugz and Harmony, Notorious BIG, Wyclef jean... these are/were very talented and musical guys, and not all of their songs feature violence or misogyny. Rap music, like any other kind of music, takes knowledge and experience to appreciate. When you understand why rap music is rap music, and what makes it different from blues and R&B, and how those forms evolved into rap, you'll start to appreciate the music.
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zaidf 17y ago
I enjoy pop. But I find the lyrics behind rap to have a lot deeper and personal meaning.
compay 17y ago
Maybe you'll never like hip-hop; to each his own. I don't like most contemporary hip-hop either, but think Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Nas, Jurassic 5 and Del the Funky Homosapien all made some great albums in the late 80's - late 90's.
maxklein 17y ago
I assume you also believe that mafia films are glorification of criminal behaviour, war films are teaching our youth to become heartless soldiers and old cowboy films are promoting ethnic genocide. How about we have a single point of view in the world? We could make a big world conference and come up with a safe, polite, nice sort of music, a correct sort of behaviour, a proper way of dressing, and then we could all just conform to that. Perhaps you would like to draft the first version?
nbroyal 17y ago
Maybe that's because you haven't really tried looking? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lrVO3pPDP4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lrVO3pPDP4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc80CmGOR9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc80CmGOR9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqeRvZO8HmQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqeRvZO8HmQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT6iUz0rCuE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT6iUz0rCuE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAebS16KplY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAebS16KplY This is just a random sample of rap songs from my recently played playlist. Honestly, I'm super jaded by the types who listen to top 40 radio and think that's all there is to rap/hip-hop. It's an extremely diverse genre and the vast majority of what you hear on the radio or in clubs is just one part of it.
timbowen 17y ago
As in any genre there is a wide range of talent and musical ability among rap artists. The record industry is really good at printing one hit wonders and then burning them up. Those are probably the guys who are making the songs you are referring to. This is not unique to rap, it happens in pop, alternative, rock and roll, heavy metal and any other genre. I could easily say "metal is just screaming" or "alternative is all the same crappy guitar chords" and I would be kind of half right some of the time. If you take a look at some of the more accomplished artists with staying power you will discover thoughtful lyrics and complicated music. Jay Z has been getting more and more musical over time. The American Gangster soundtrack was an explosion of funky horns and beats that really set the tone of the album to that of the film. Death of Autotune doesn't have an electronic note on the track. This is not to mention the vast pool of talent in the underground hip hop and rap scene, which is something you should really investigate if you are going to give the genre an honest examination. If you don't care for rap music that's fine, but saying "it all sounds the same" just makes it obvious you don't ever listen to rap music. What would you think of me if I said all classical music sounds the same?
- starkfist 17y ago
  Often it does all sound the same, because the same producers are used on everyone's album. In the early 2000s, 50% of what was on the radio, hip hop or otherwise, sounded like it was either produced by the Neptunes or Timbaland.

scorciapino 17y ago

I hope my downvoters enjoy the beauty and art of "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks / Lick on these nuts and suck the dick / Get's the fuck out after you're done"

psawaya 17y ago
Give this a try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiYDJ432b0U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiYDJ432b0U
andrewljohnson 17y ago
Are you going to throw the Rolling Stones and hundreds of other classic rock bands under the bus too, because they use swear words and talk about all the girls they boink? If you ask me, those lyrics are awesome and memorable. You have to be pretty tightly wound to take them seriously.
- scotty79 17y ago
  It's not about swear words. It's about lack of any meaningful content. Just bragging, trying to shock by disgusting and being an asshole to everyone, especially woman and police. Instead of thousands rap songs you could have only two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk
  - andrewljohnson 17y ago
    Similarly, instead of thousands of books, many postulate you could have just 3-4, but they are just talking about the plot. You may find a lot of similarities in the words of rap songs, but if you took the time to listen to a lot of rap music, then you would know there are a whole range of beats, harmonies, instrumental work, sampling, and other techniques that make rap as interesting as any other music. This is silly though. I have heard thousands of rap songs, and you clearly have not. I can quote rap lyrics, and you cannot. I can drum out the beat to a rap song, and understand its uniqueness, but you cannot. So, why should I argue with you? Go educate yourself, and then we can talk. I wouldn't talk to a non-programmer about the merits of protypical inheritance, and I see no reason to talk to you further about rap music. This comment is even a waste of time, but you and Scorp's mindless drivel gets under my skin.
    - cubix 17y ago
      I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music. I can take something from almost every other genre of music, but I'm bored to death by rap. I could overlook the violence and crassness if I could see (or hear) some redeeming virtues, yet they have always eluded me. Is there a particular song or album you would recommend to experience the genre at its best? What makes it interesting to you?
      - andrewljohnson 17y ago
        This very popular song by Wyclef Jean is musically awesome, has great lyrics, and while it talks about "thug life" and prostitution, I don't think it's particularly offensive to women, nor does it glorify violence. I even like the use of auto-tune here. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/wyclefjean/sweetestgirldollarbill.html http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/wyclefjean/sweetestgirldollar... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aj1sznTdLM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aj1sznTdLM
        cubix 17y ago
        Isn't this more contemporary R&B? Although it makes use of a hiphop rhythm, and there is some rap interjected here and there, it's not really what you would call a rap song, is it? Also, I was hoping for something considered really great in the genre, something your children will listen when it's no longer fashionable. This song, while not terribly offensive, seems rather vanilla and it's hard to imagine people listening to it in a couple of years, let alone decades from now. I doubt Autotune will age well.

andrewljohnson 17y ago

Sounds like you are not open-minded at all, no matter how hard you try. I tend to prefer rock, blues, and jazz, but there is definitely something to be appreciated in a lot of rap music. Tupac Shakur, Bone Thugz and Harmony, Notorious BIG, Wyclef jean... these are/were very talented and musical guys, and not all of their songs feature violence or misogyny. Rap music, like any other kind of music, takes knowledge and experience to appreciate. When you understand why rap music is rap music, and what makes it different from blues and R&B, and how those forms evolved into rap, you'll start to appreciate the music.

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zaidf 17y ago

I enjoy pop. But I find the lyrics behind rap to have a lot deeper and personal meaning.

compay 17y ago

Maybe you'll never like hip-hop; to each his own. I don't like most contemporary hip-hop either, but think Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Nas, Jurassic 5 and Del the Funky Homosapien all made some great albums in the late 80's - late 90's.

maxklein 17y ago

I assume you also believe that mafia films are glorification of criminal behaviour, war films are teaching our youth to become heartless soldiers and old cowboy films are promoting ethnic genocide. How about we have a single point of view in the world? We could make a big world conference and come up with a safe, polite, nice sort of music, a correct sort of behaviour, a proper way of dressing, and then we could all just conform to that. Perhaps you would like to draft the first version?

nbroyal 17y ago

Maybe that's because you haven't really tried looking? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lrVO3pPDP4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lrVO3pPDP4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc80CmGOR9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc80CmGOR9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqeRvZO8HmQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqeRvZO8HmQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT6iUz0rCuE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT6iUz0rCuE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAebS16KplY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAebS16KplY This is just a random sample of rap songs from my recently played playlist. Honestly, I'm super jaded by the types who listen to top 40 radio and think that's all there is to rap/hip-hop. It's an extremely diverse genre and the vast majority of what you hear on the radio or in clubs is just one part of it.

timbowen 17y ago

As in any genre there is a wide range of talent and musical ability among rap artists. The record industry is really good at printing one hit wonders and then burning them up. Those are probably the guys who are making the songs you are referring to. This is not unique to rap, it happens in pop, alternative, rock and roll, heavy metal and any other genre. I could easily say "metal is just screaming" or "alternative is all the same crappy guitar chords" and I would be kind of half right some of the time. If you take a look at some of the more accomplished artists with staying power you will discover thoughtful lyrics and complicated music. Jay Z has been getting more and more musical over time. The American Gangster soundtrack was an explosion of funky horns and beats that really set the tone of the album to that of the film. Death of Autotune doesn't have an electronic note on the track. This is not to mention the vast pool of talent in the underground hip hop and rap scene, which is something you should really investigate if you are going to give the genre an honest examination. If you don't care for rap music that's fine, but saying "it all sounds the same" just makes it obvious you don't ever listen to rap music. What would you think of me if I said all classical music sounds the same?

starkfist 17y ago
Often it does all sound the same, because the same producers are used on everyone's album. In the early 2000s, 50% of what was on the radio, hip hop or otherwise, sounded like it was either produced by the Neptunes or Timbaland.