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I live in Sweden if you're supposed to wait you'll have to wait several months sometimes extra to purchase content made in the US. Also, historically there is n

I live in Sweden if you're supposed to wait you'll have to wait several months sometimes extra to purchase content made in the US. Also, historically there is no good way to purchase the content if you do not want to purchase a physical disc in a shop. Sometimes it's never available, especially english shows that is only broadcasted on english tv channels.

belorn 11y ago
If we are talking about the situation in Sweden, it must also be said that there is a copyright tax on storage media in computers, phones and similar devices. The tax is supposed to be there so authors get paid when people do private copying, but DRM creates a situation where the tax money get stolen and nothing is returned to the tax payer. When copyright is used as an excuse to steal tax money, its hard to use morality as an argument against non-commercial copyright infringement.
- staticelf 11y ago
  Yes, that is truly disgusting. This is the organisation he/she is talking about: http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/ http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/
icebraining 11y ago
Standard arguments against your position: - Using without paying is immoral, you should just do without. - Even if it's OK for you to do so, we know that many people will illegally download films they could buy, hence offering these tools is unethical. - As programmers, we rely on copyright for our income, hence it's unethical to infringe on the copyright of others. Did I miss any? The feelings of deja vu in these threads are way too strong.
- staticelf 11y ago
  1. No one is caring about morality in the end. I believe many people do not believe illegal copying to be immoral. 2. Yes, are there any data on that these people would ever pay? 3. Yes and like all digital content we have the ability to spread our work across the globe very fast at little to no extra cost. If we limit our work to a certain country we only have ourselves to blame when people are illegally copying it.
  - icebraining 11y ago
    Sorry, I wasn't clear: I'm a pirate as well. I was just commenting on how these threads always seem to go through the same motions, and nothing is accomplished, because everyone has already heard the arguments against their position and has found them unconvincing.
    - staticelf 11y ago
      Well yeah, but that could be said for every political discussion, yet I see a value in keeping the discussion alive.
      - mbrock 11y ago
        There's an interesting part in Alasdair MacIntyre's book "After Virtue" on the "interminable nature of contemporary moral discussions."
      - icebraining 11y ago
        Don't get me wrong, I think there's plenty to discuss on this topic, it's just that HN is not a good avenue for it. First, threads always start as a blank slate, so by the time we get through the obvious arguments on both sides, it has already dropped off the front page and the discussion has died down. The next time, someone will again invariably argue that they can't watch stuff in their country, and someone will reply with one of the arguments I listed. Secondly, since many people consider this topic poses important moral questions, downvotes will invariably be used to suppress valid but disagreeable opinions, and then we'll have more posts of people justly complaining that they've been unfairly downvoted, plus a few assholes playing victim. HN is great for most discussions around technical and business matters, particularly regarding new developments; it's pretty shitty for serious discussion around social and political topics.

belorn 11y ago

If we are talking about the situation in Sweden, it must also be said that there is a copyright tax on storage media in computers, phones and similar devices. The tax is supposed to be there so authors get paid when people do private copying, but DRM creates a situation where the tax money get stolen and nothing is returned to the tax payer. When copyright is used as an excuse to steal tax money, its hard to use morality as an argument against non-commercial copyright infringement.

staticelf 11y ago
Yes, that is truly disgusting. This is the organisation he/she is talking about: http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/ http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/

icebraining 11y ago

Standard arguments against your position: - Using without paying is immoral, you should just do without. - Even if it's OK for you to do so, we know that many people will illegally download films they could buy, hence offering these tools is unethical. - As programmers, we rely on copyright for our income, hence it's unethical to infringe on the copyright of others. Did I miss any? The feelings of deja vu in these threads are way too strong.

staticelf 11y ago
1. No one is caring about morality in the end. I believe many people do not believe illegal copying to be immoral. 2. Yes, are there any data on that these people would ever pay? 3. Yes and like all digital content we have the ability to spread our work across the globe very fast at little to no extra cost. If we limit our work to a certain country we only have ourselves to blame when people are illegally copying it.
- icebraining 11y ago
  Sorry, I wasn't clear: I'm a pirate as well. I was just commenting on how these threads always seem to go through the same motions, and nothing is accomplished, because everyone has already heard the arguments against their position and has found them unconvincing.
  - staticelf 11y ago
    Well yeah, but that could be said for every political discussion, yet I see a value in keeping the discussion alive.
    - mbrock 11y ago
      There's an interesting part in Alasdair MacIntyre's book "After Virtue" on the "interminable nature of contemporary moral discussions."
    - icebraining 11y ago
      Don't get me wrong, I think there's plenty to discuss on this topic, it's just that HN is not a good avenue for it. First, threads always start as a blank slate, so by the time we get through the obvious arguments on both sides, it has already dropped off the front page and the discussion has died down. The next time, someone will again invariably argue that they can't watch stuff in their country, and someone will reply with one of the arguments I listed. Secondly, since many people consider this topic poses important moral questions, downvotes will invariably be used to suppress valid but disagreeable opinions, and then we'll have more posts of people justly complaining that they've been unfairly downvoted, plus a few assholes playing victim. HN is great for most discussions around technical and business matters, particularly regarding new developments; it's pretty shitty for serious discussion around social and political topics.