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Yes and this is great. I have felt Ubuntu to be way too bloated ( last time I checked it had many python scripts running by default on startup ) and Debian is h

Yes and this is great. I have felt Ubuntu to be way too bloated ( last time I checked it had many python scripts running by default on startup ) and Debian is hard to use on the desktop ( "stable" is too slow, "testing" is too unstable ). Arch will make a better foundation distro IMO.

meddlepal 11y ago
There's always Fedora which has gotten better and better the last couple releases. But I like Arch too. I just switched away from it because I got tired of things breaking if I wasn't religiously upgrading.
- tbrock 11y ago
  That doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't more things break if you only updated them every six months and had to retest the whole system rather than the parts that changed as you went along. I found that upgrading Ubuntu/Debian to the next release always screwed everything up as basically all the packages changed. Heck fedora couldn't even update to the next release until fed up came out.
- agumonkey 11y ago
  I wonder how people feel about nix. Broken updates are by design a minor issue since it's transactional/rollbackable.
  - meddlepal 11y ago
    How is NixOS as a workstation/desktop/laptop OS? Does it have any major issues with hardware I'd run into?
    - agumonkey 11y ago
      2015 release used kernel 3.18, some drivers were lagging[1] so I went back to arch. But the latest 2016.03 release is now on 4.4, I'm about to try. I saw many people saying they were happy using nixos on twitter. It's a paradigm shift that require a good deal of RTFM. Felt like the first time I used linux somehow. [1] my wifi chip took minutes to initialize due to proprietary blob issues.
      - meddlepal 11y ago
        Awesome, thanks for the info!
- _yy 11y ago
  Fedora is the only real alternative if you want more stability.
crdoconnor 11y ago
I've found debian and ubuntu to be the best QA'd distros available. Followed by Fedora. After trying Arch and running into too many irritating bugs that I didn't have the patience to fix I gave up on it. Plus this didn't give me a good impression of the community's professionalism either: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Manjaro-Devs-Fix-Embarrassing-Expired-SSL-Certificate-Problem-478151.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/Manjaro-Devs-Fix-Embarrassing...
- agumonkey 11y ago
  They did blow it bad on this one, but apparently they manned-up since.
- fmoralesc 11y ago
  The Manjaro community is separate from the Arch one. Typically, Arch has looked down on spin offs, and in particular on Manjaro because of the way they manage updates. That said, I don't feel the idea of the Arch community revolves around professionalism; it is really an amateur thing, in the positive sense.
- 59nadir 11y ago
  Things like these are why #archlinux on Freenode hates Antergos; they're not responsible for how badly other communities handle their OS. The amount of troubleshooting that comes down to "Oh, that means Antergos/whoever are completely fucking up" is surprisingly high.
  - fmoralesc 11y ago
    And people love Antergos when compared to Manjaro.

meddlepal 11y ago

There's always Fedora which has gotten better and better the last couple releases. But I like Arch too. I just switched away from it because I got tired of things breaking if I wasn't religiously upgrading.

tbrock 11y ago
That doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't more things break if you only updated them every six months and had to retest the whole system rather than the parts that changed as you went along. I found that upgrading Ubuntu/Debian to the next release always screwed everything up as basically all the packages changed. Heck fedora couldn't even update to the next release until fed up came out.
agumonkey 11y ago
I wonder how people feel about nix. Broken updates are by design a minor issue since it's transactional/rollbackable.
- meddlepal 11y ago
  How is NixOS as a workstation/desktop/laptop OS? Does it have any major issues with hardware I'd run into?
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    2015 release used kernel 3.18, some drivers were lagging[1] so I went back to arch. But the latest 2016.03 release is now on 4.4, I'm about to try. I saw many people saying they were happy using nixos on twitter. It's a paradigm shift that require a good deal of RTFM. Felt like the first time I used linux somehow. [1] my wifi chip took minutes to initialize due to proprietary blob issues.
    - meddlepal 11y ago
      Awesome, thanks for the info!
_yy 11y ago
Fedora is the only real alternative if you want more stability.

crdoconnor 11y ago

I've found debian and ubuntu to be the best QA'd distros available. Followed by Fedora. After trying Arch and running into too many irritating bugs that I didn't have the patience to fix I gave up on it. Plus this didn't give me a good impression of the community's professionalism either: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Manjaro-Devs-Fix-Embarrassing-Expired-SSL-Certificate-Problem-478151.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/Manjaro-Devs-Fix-Embarrassing...

agumonkey 11y ago
They did blow it bad on this one, but apparently they manned-up since.
fmoralesc 11y ago
The Manjaro community is separate from the Arch one. Typically, Arch has looked down on spin offs, and in particular on Manjaro because of the way they manage updates. That said, I don't feel the idea of the Arch community revolves around professionalism; it is really an amateur thing, in the positive sense.
59nadir 11y ago
Things like these are why #archlinux on Freenode hates Antergos; they're not responsible for how badly other communities handle their OS. The amount of troubleshooting that comes down to "Oh, that means Antergos/whoever are completely fucking up" is surprisingly high.
- fmoralesc 11y ago
  And people love Antergos when compared to Manjaro.