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Meh. Apple is asking to be treated like a special snowflake in this case, caught by their own elitism of not-selling-affordable-phones.

by vacri 11y ago

Razengan 11y ago
That may be so, but the "Mobile and Communications Council" (I assume it's a regulatory group) seems to include their direct competition. How sure can anyone be that there's going to be absolutely no conflict of interest?
- vacri 11y ago
  Just because it has 'council' in the name doesn't mean it can make laws. And even then, why should Apple get a special exemption from a general law?
coldtea 11y ago
>caught by their own elitism of not-selling-affordable-phones. Yeah, and look where that got them. From near bankruptcy in 1997 to being only the most valuable (or in top 3 depending on when you look/how you measure) of companies on the planet.
- vacri 11y ago
  So... why does that mean that they should get special exemption from a general law? Apple can't sell in India because they are too elitist to make a model priced for the developing world (which they can absolutely choose to do with their buckets of money), so why should they be allowed a special channel into a market that they want to treat as second-class?
  - coldtea 11y ago
    You do know that Apple sells second hand (refurbished) phones (and macs) in the US and West too, and they have been doing that since forever, right?
    - vacri 11y ago
      They want to increase their market share in India, but they're not willing to produce a cheaper phone for that, so they're asking for special treatment. Why should Apple get special treatment that others don't get in India? What is so magical about Apple that they should get this preferential treatment? It's funny, HN seems to be against corporate sweetheart deals, and loves stories about exposing corruption. But not against Apple! No, we'll not hear a word against those guys - they're special! Hell, when the recent Apple v FBI story broke, people here were talking about this 'the most valuable company on the planet' like it was the scrappy underdog, rather than the behemoth of industry it is. So... why does that mean that they should get special exemption from a general law?
      - coldtea 11y ago
        >Why should Apple get special treatment that others don't get in India? What is so magical about Apple that they should get this preferential treatment? If the law changes to allow it, then it won't be "special treatment". What's so special about a random law that much be preserved for eternity? >It's funny, HN seems to be against corporate sweetheart deals, and loves stories about exposing corruption. Wanting / Asking to sell second-hand phones is corruption how?
        vacri 11y ago
        You should be a spin doctor, seriously.
- ocean3 11y ago
  But that strategy did not work for them in India. Hence they are trying to sell cheaper refurbished models.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    Well, they have been doing very well in India too: http://www.ibtimes.com/once-tough-market-apple-inc-indians-show-growing-taste-iphones-1796326 http://www.ibtimes.com/once-tough-market-apple-inc-indians-s... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/slideshow/appleindiasuccess/7-reasons-for-Apples-success-in-India/itslideshowviewall/19647039.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/slideshow/appleindia... In addition, they're trying to sell cheaper phones there.
    - ocean3 11y ago
      I don't think they have even 5% market share. (http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/24/9790810/apple-iphone-india-smartphone-market-share http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/24/9790810/apple-iphone-indi...). For a global giant its very very poor. Hence the need to sell cheaper mobiles.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        >For a global giant its very very poor Not really, as that's not how they roll. They usually have small market share, but of the highest end / largest margin part of the market. Those 5% can yield like 30-50% of the profits of the whole smartphone industry in India, and 80% of the high-end (more expensive) smartphone profits. A company that only targets the high end of the market should be compared to other products/companies in that, not the overall.
        ocean3 11y ago
        come on dude don't keep on changing criteria. Anyway "Not really, as that's not how they roll" this does not hold good. They are trying to get a bigger market share in India. Hence they are trying to selling refurbished mobiles. Which would be cheaper compared to brand new. Emphasis on it been "cheap". They already do that selling gen old mobiles.

Meh. Apple is asking to be treated like a special snowflake in this case, caught by their own elitism of not-selling-affordable-phones.

by vacri 11y ago

Meh. Apple is asking to be treated like a special snowflake in this case, caught by their own elitism of not-selling-affordable-phones.

Razengan 11y ago

That may be so, but the "Mobile and Communications Council" (I assume it's a regulatory group) seems to include their direct competition. How sure can anyone be that there's going to be absolutely no conflict of interest?

vacri 11y ago
Just because it has 'council' in the name doesn't mean it can make laws. And even then, why should Apple get a special exemption from a general law?

coldtea 11y ago

>caught by their own elitism of not-selling-affordable-phones. Yeah, and look where that got them. From near bankruptcy in 1997 to being only the most valuable (or in top 3 depending on when you look/how you measure) of companies on the planet.

vacri 11y ago
So... why does that mean that they should get special exemption from a general law? Apple can't sell in India because they are too elitist to make a model priced for the developing world (which they can absolutely choose to do with their buckets of money), so why should they be allowed a special channel into a market that they want to treat as second-class?
- coldtea 11y ago
  You do know that Apple sells second hand (refurbished) phones (and macs) in the US and West too, and they have been doing that since forever, right?
  - vacri 11y ago
    They want to increase their market share in India, but they're not willing to produce a cheaper phone for that, so they're asking for special treatment. Why should Apple get special treatment that others don't get in India? What is so magical about Apple that they should get this preferential treatment? It's funny, HN seems to be against corporate sweetheart deals, and loves stories about exposing corruption. But not against Apple! No, we'll not hear a word against those guys - they're special! Hell, when the recent Apple v FBI story broke, people here were talking about this 'the most valuable company on the planet' like it was the scrappy underdog, rather than the behemoth of industry it is. So... why does that mean that they should get special exemption from a general law?
    - coldtea 11y ago
      >Why should Apple get special treatment that others don't get in India? What is so magical about Apple that they should get this preferential treatment? If the law changes to allow it, then it won't be "special treatment". What's so special about a random law that much be preserved for eternity? >It's funny, HN seems to be against corporate sweetheart deals, and loves stories about exposing corruption. Wanting / Asking to sell second-hand phones is corruption how?
      - vacri 11y ago
        You should be a spin doctor, seriously.
ocean3 11y ago
But that strategy did not work for them in India. Hence they are trying to sell cheaper refurbished models.
- coldtea 11y ago
  Well, they have been doing very well in India too: http://www.ibtimes.com/once-tough-market-apple-inc-indians-show-growing-taste-iphones-1796326 http://www.ibtimes.com/once-tough-market-apple-inc-indians-s... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/slideshow/appleindiasuccess/7-reasons-for-Apples-success-in-India/itslideshowviewall/19647039.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/slideshow/appleindia... In addition, they're trying to sell cheaper phones there.
  - ocean3 11y ago
    I don't think they have even 5% market share. (http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/24/9790810/apple-iphone-india-smartphone-market-share http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/24/9790810/apple-iphone-indi...). For a global giant its very very poor. Hence the need to sell cheaper mobiles.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      >For a global giant its very very poor Not really, as that's not how they roll. They usually have small market share, but of the highest end / largest margin part of the market. Those 5% can yield like 30-50% of the profits of the whole smartphone industry in India, and 80% of the high-end (more expensive) smartphone profits. A company that only targets the high end of the market should be compared to other products/companies in that, not the overall.
      - ocean3 11y ago
        come on dude don't keep on changing criteria. Anyway "Not really, as that's not how they roll" this does not hold good. They are trying to get a bigger market share in India. Hence they are trying to selling refurbished mobiles. Which would be cheaper compared to brand new. Emphasis on it been "cheap". They already do that selling gen old mobiles.