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The linked section of the FAQ was written a few years ago. I'm not a Googler, but I can tell you some things visible from the outside. >Note that "scaling MySQ

The linked section of the FAQ was written a few years ago. I'm not a Googler, but I can tell you some things visible from the outside. >Note that "scaling MySQL" is not exactly a long-term priority in a company that built three or four alternatives to MySQL, all superior. It might be more valuable than you think since GCE sells a hosted MySQL service. I'm speculating here; they could be using something else that's MySQL-compatible, but I doubt it. >I'd love to hear any current Googlers chime in about a Google product written in Go that actually matters and took more than a hundred engineer-hours to write. Kubernetes is a non-trivial Go project largely done by Google that's important to the future of GCE.

jholman 11y ago
Thank you, those both seem like convincing evidence that, at minimum, it's not quite as bleak as I had believed.
- TheDong 11y ago
  Note, however, that kubernetes is not used within Google (rather, they use a C++ alternative). Part of why kubernetes uses Go is that it's in a docker-centric container ecosystem. Docker picked Go for its own reasons, not because of Google, so in a way, Kubernetes is picking Go because of the outside community, not because of Google or the language itself.
  - jzelinskie 11y ago
    GCE operates GKE which is a hosted Kubernetes as a service. I'm not saying that Google is using Kubernetes instead of Borg, but that doesn't mean they don't use Kubernetes at all.
    - nickpsecurity 11y ago
      TheParent's explanation makes more sense. Note that the key use case they mentioned for that was an offering for the Docker ecosystem: http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/11/google-cloud-container-engine http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/11/google-cloud-container-eng... So, people are using Kubernetes in the Docker community. Google offers a GCE service for that. This seems incidental to Go with community and demand really driving its use. That they avoid it internally where possible is still a strong point given the large ecosystem developing around Go. Assuming it's true that they avoid it for C++ and Java of course.
  - bogomipz 11y ago
    Oh I was just commenting similar to this above. Is the C++ alternative Borg? I believe this spins up a VM like KVM and the runs the container inside the VM.
foota 11y ago
Does a mysql compatible product include the bugs? :)
bogomipz 11y ago
How is Kubernetes important to the future of GCE? I don't believe thats the scheduler they are using for compute. I know you can run Kube on top of GCE but that's obviously not the same thing. I was also told by someone at Google Cloud that when you launch a compute instance on GCE its actually running inside a VM as well. So this container inside a VM leads to me to think this is true. The VM might be for security, I'm not sure.

jholman 11y ago

Thank you, those both seem like convincing evidence that, at minimum, it's not quite as bleak as I had believed.

TheDong 11y ago
Note, however, that kubernetes is not used within Google (rather, they use a C++ alternative). Part of why kubernetes uses Go is that it's in a docker-centric container ecosystem. Docker picked Go for its own reasons, not because of Google, so in a way, Kubernetes is picking Go because of the outside community, not because of Google or the language itself.
- jzelinskie 11y ago
  GCE operates GKE which is a hosted Kubernetes as a service. I'm not saying that Google is using Kubernetes instead of Borg, but that doesn't mean they don't use Kubernetes at all.
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    TheParent's explanation makes more sense. Note that the key use case they mentioned for that was an offering for the Docker ecosystem: http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/11/google-cloud-container-engine http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/11/google-cloud-container-eng... So, people are using Kubernetes in the Docker community. Google offers a GCE service for that. This seems incidental to Go with community and demand really driving its use. That they avoid it internally where possible is still a strong point given the large ecosystem developing around Go. Assuming it's true that they avoid it for C++ and Java of course.
- bogomipz 11y ago
  Oh I was just commenting similar to this above. Is the C++ alternative Borg? I believe this spins up a VM like KVM and the runs the container inside the VM.

foota 11y ago

Does a mysql compatible product include the bugs? :)

bogomipz 11y ago

How is Kubernetes important to the future of GCE? I don't believe thats the scheduler they are using for compute. I know you can run Kube on top of GCE but that's obviously not the same thing. I was also told by someone at Google Cloud that when you launch a compute instance on GCE its actually running inside a VM as well. So this container inside a VM leads to me to think this is true. The VM might be for security, I'm not sure.