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>"Its a common feature of HN that we don't condone sexism, racism, hate speech etc." And yet last time there was mention of "bro-culture" (i.e. anti-male, anti

by zo1 11y ago

>"Its a common feature of HN that we don't condone sexism, racism, hate speech etc." And yet last time there was mention of "bro-culture" (i.e. anti-male, anti-techie), I don't recall seeing anywhere near this sort of reaction.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
Because criticizing those in authority is very different from the opposite. The tired old dead horse of "its technically also racism to criticize the plantation master!" is an unworthy argument.
- 13thLetter 11y ago
  The "punching up is okay!" excuse is only useful to people who are in it for the punching. How about if nobody gets punched. Don't roll out demeaning stereotypes against any groups; instead, treat people like human beings. Who knows, it might work out!
- forgetsusername 11y ago
  Please, elaborate on who, exactly, is the plantation master in your analogy? What absolute tripe.
icebraining 11y ago
"bro-culture" (i.e. anti-male, anti-techie) What? Criticism of a specific subculture/attitude is not the same as being anti-male. If someone was stereotyping all men as "bros", that would be equivalent. And I'm pretty sure we'd have plenty of reactions against it.
tptacek 11y ago
I'm a male techie and I don't intuitively identify, in any sense, with "bro culture". So, I think this is off base.
- zo1 11y ago
  What exactly do you find "off base"? I'm saying that I didn't see the same sort of backlash to a "bro culture" article as I am seeing for this one here.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    The problem people have with "bro culture" doesn't have nearly as much to do with gender as it does with aggression, superficiality, and ill manners. That's why despite HN's demographics skewing overwhelmingly male, "bro culture" is an epithet here.
zo1 11y ago
Edit. So the term I was specifically thinking of was not "bro culture" but rather "brogramming", which is definitely some sort of jab at male individuals in the programming profession.

by zo1 11y ago

JoeAltmaier 11y ago

Because criticizing those in authority is very different from the opposite. The tired old dead horse of "its technically also racism to criticize the plantation master!" is an unworthy argument.

13thLetter 11y ago
The "punching up is okay!" excuse is only useful to people who are in it for the punching. How about if nobody gets punched. Don't roll out demeaning stereotypes against any groups; instead, treat people like human beings. Who knows, it might work out!
forgetsusername 11y ago
Please, elaborate on who, exactly, is the plantation master in your analogy? What absolute tripe.

icebraining 11y ago

"bro-culture" (i.e. anti-male, anti-techie) What? Criticism of a specific subculture/attitude is not the same as being anti-male. If someone was stereotyping all men as "bros", that would be equivalent. And I'm pretty sure we'd have plenty of reactions against it.

tptacek 11y ago

I'm a male techie and I don't intuitively identify, in any sense, with "bro culture". So, I think this is off base.

zo1 11y ago
What exactly do you find "off base"? I'm saying that I didn't see the same sort of backlash to a "bro culture" article as I am seeing for this one here.
- tptacek 11y ago
  The problem people have with "bro culture" doesn't have nearly as much to do with gender as it does with aggression, superficiality, and ill manners. That's why despite HN's demographics skewing overwhelmingly male, "bro culture" is an epithet here.

zo1 11y ago

Edit. So the term I was specifically thinking of was not "bro culture" but rather "brogramming", which is definitely some sort of jab at male individuals in the programming profession.