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> I wonder why people think it's ok for Apple to maintain a stranglehold on iOS, but don't think it would be ok for Microsoft to control application installatio

> I wonder why people think it's ok for Apple to maintain a stranglehold on iOS, but don't think it would be ok for Microsoft to control application installation on Windows. I think it's because Apple established that as the baseline when releasing iOS. It was a closed and controlled ecosystem from release day. Apple did it to be able to offer a better product/experience for their target market. We, as the consumers, could look at it and decide if it's a product we like and want to buy. Nothing was taken away from you when iOS and its closed garden came to be. People decided to accept the limitations in return for a better user experience by buying iOS devices. You have a choice to have something open by buying a mobile device that's not iOS. However, desktop systems have existed for a long time with higher freedoms. So, you can't take away the ability to do "anything" with computers without taking away something we've had for a long time.

Cyph0n 11y ago
I wonder what your response will be once Apple applies the walled garden approach to OS X. It hasn't happened yet, but the features they've been introducing these past few releases are a clear indication of where they see OS X in the future.
- djrogers 11y ago
  > the features they've been introducing these past few releases are a clear indication of where they see OS X in the future. What features has apple added that inevitably lead to a walled garden on OS X that can't be more easily attributed to improved security?
  - i386 11y ago
    I think the poster is referring to Sandboxing and SIP.
    - Longhanks 11y ago
      Which can both be disabled.
- ebbv 11y ago
  People have been saying this since 2007. It's not happening. Apple has continued to add new APIs and update existing ones and they have not closed anything. In fact they just open sourced Swift which is the future of OS X and iOS development.
- BuckRogers 11y ago
  My guess is that his response will be the same. But that isn't what Apple would do. They're not stupid to change OSX midstream on existing devices.. that's what MS is trying to do. They'll put a new form of iOS, with OSX backwards compatibility on new hardware. Where if you buy it, you're not getting OSX. You're getting iOS on a Macbook with some OSX shims in place for legacy software. Sidesteps every issue mentioned. But MS can't do this, because they don't have total vertical integration like Apple.
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Cyph0n 11y ago

I wonder what your response will be once Apple applies the walled garden approach to OS X. It hasn't happened yet, but the features they've been introducing these past few releases are a clear indication of where they see OS X in the future.

djrogers 11y ago
> the features they've been introducing these past few releases are a clear indication of where they see OS X in the future. What features has apple added that inevitably lead to a walled garden on OS X that can't be more easily attributed to improved security?
- i386 11y ago
  I think the poster is referring to Sandboxing and SIP.
  - Longhanks 11y ago
    Which can both be disabled.
ebbv 11y ago
People have been saying this since 2007. It's not happening. Apple has continued to add new APIs and update existing ones and they have not closed anything. In fact they just open sourced Swift which is the future of OS X and iOS development.
BuckRogers 11y ago
My guess is that his response will be the same. But that isn't what Apple would do. They're not stupid to change OSX midstream on existing devices.. that's what MS is trying to do. They'll put a new form of iOS, with OSX backwards compatibility on new hardware. Where if you buy it, you're not getting OSX. You're getting iOS on a Macbook with some OSX shims in place for legacy software. Sidesteps every issue mentioned. But MS can't do this, because they don't have total vertical integration like Apple.

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