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Agree. Where I work we recently dropped all labels across the whole company - so no more juniors, seniors, frontend, backend, full-stack etc. Just software engi

Agree. Where I work we recently dropped all labels across the whole company - so no more juniors, seniors, frontend, backend, full-stack etc. Just software engineers. We still use 'CEO' and 'CTO' but only externally.

takno 11y ago
Then they're either not rewarding experience, or pretending to the juniors that they are getting paid the same and equally-valued.
- fishnchips 11y ago
  Do you really want labels as your reward?
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    That's a good point. Pay should be enough for most people.
  - CuriouslyC 11y ago
    Labels aren't completely valueless. HR at some large corporations are actually anal enough to check that your official job title at a company matched the description you put on your resume, and will red-flag you if there is a significant discrepancy.
    - fishnchips 11y ago
      Possibly, but that has nothing to do with rewarding folks for labels. Instead, you're rewarded with pay, respect and opportunities for your constant effort to perform, learn and teach.
beeboop 11y ago
I'm surprised you kept "engineers" as part of the title. Is a guy writing only CSS an engineer?
- fishnchips 11y ago
  We don't have these.
- enjo 11y ago
  I'd imagine they'd be called a "Designer".
- jclulow 11y ago
  Engineering is rigour, understanding, accountability, the balance of competing concerns, communication and cowork with other people, the application of ethics, and continuous improvement. If your occupation strives to include these properties, and you strive to learn and improve your own skills and your field in general, I don't see why the particular language you use should prevent you from being an engineer.
- true_religion 11y ago
  Being an engineer of X is like being a Doctor of X. It's a general descriptor about your experience, and the way you approach the work. Granted the state has stepped in and in someplaces you can't call yourself an engineer or doctor without certification, but the fact remains that the word has a meaning in common parlance.

takno 11y ago

Then they're either not rewarding experience, or pretending to the juniors that they are getting paid the same and equally-valued.

fishnchips 11y ago
Do you really want labels as your reward?
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  That's a good point. Pay should be enough for most people.
- CuriouslyC 11y ago
  Labels aren't completely valueless. HR at some large corporations are actually anal enough to check that your official job title at a company matched the description you put on your resume, and will red-flag you if there is a significant discrepancy.
  - fishnchips 11y ago
    Possibly, but that has nothing to do with rewarding folks for labels. Instead, you're rewarded with pay, respect and opportunities for your constant effort to perform, learn and teach.

beeboop 11y ago

I'm surprised you kept "engineers" as part of the title. Is a guy writing only CSS an engineer?

fishnchips 11y ago
We don't have these.
enjo 11y ago
I'd imagine they'd be called a "Designer".
jclulow 11y ago
Engineering is rigour, understanding, accountability, the balance of competing concerns, communication and cowork with other people, the application of ethics, and continuous improvement. If your occupation strives to include these properties, and you strive to learn and improve your own skills and your field in general, I don't see why the particular language you use should prevent you from being an engineer.
true_religion 11y ago
Being an engineer of X is like being a Doctor of X. It's a general descriptor about your experience, and the way you approach the work. Granted the state has stepped in and in someplaces you can't call yourself an engineer or doctor without certification, but the fact remains that the word has a meaning in common parlance.