>Can we wait until they actually do or talk about doing something bad before making a stink about them doing bad things? This is kind of jumping at phantoms, an

>Can we wait until they actually do or talk about doing something bad before making a stink about them doing bad things? This is kind of jumping at phantoms, and doing that too much will mean losing the ability to do it for real. I tend to think once they've done it it's too late: the product, once it's built, will be offered as a take-it-or-leave-it prospect, and lobbying for them to go back and re-engineer it to respect privacy is a losing proposition. We lost with Windows 10 and now there's no hope of it being fixed. I think in the beginnings of the product design cycle is exactly where these concerns should be voiced, and loudly.