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ill say this again. Brave is the best concept executed in the worst way. i tweeted until eich actually responded just hoping they would take a dif tact. a brow

ill say this again. Brave is the best concept executed in the worst way. i tweeted until eich actually responded just hoping they would take a dif tact. a browser is almost 100% a commodity wrapped around a search engine. they cant be decoupled. forking chrome and installing some security makes 0 difference to isers. you have to build top notch security but dont expect users to care. fork apache products & elastic and build a personalizef search engine and browser. let people use your platform to transact and sell optimization and information, then the alt currency piece will make sense. still like brave though. opera of 2016

azakai 11y ago
I don't think brave is about security? It's about removing ads (and the consequences of that). Ads do matter to users, as if you remove them then the user sees they are no longer distracting and that things are faster.
- vonklaus 11y ago
  it has a heavy security component which is great one of the women who was a key hire built one or 2 encrypted communication companies. maybe they scaled back on marketing, but it is inherently security, privacy focused with the third value prop being, as you indicated, content control including ad filtering
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magicalist 11y ago
> a browser is almost 100% a commodity wrapped around a search engine I've seen you post this a few times, but I'm curious why you think this, because I haven't seen you give a good explanation and the connection seems like a total non sequitur to me. It would be huge for Brave to gain Opera's level of marketshare, for instance, and no one is downloading Opera because of its search engine.
- vonklaus 11y ago
  i seem to find that most people use their browsers to connect to google. many people use google as a web interface. almost everyone in english speaking countries use either microsoft edge/ie to connect to bing or use chrome to go to google or somewhere in between, although chrome has close to 60% of global browser marketshare. don't get me wrong, chrome is a great browser, but i argue that the integration with search & ancilliary services are why it is gaining share. so onbvious consolidation risk aside, and allowing one org to control how the world receives info (using pagerank/clone pf pagerank) a browser is a wrapper through which we receive info and typically that is through a search portal. i think brave is awesome and totally great. great product. great team. good vision. however, i think it is unlikely to 10x. it cant 10x my integration with search/info gathering(browsers browse literally synonym of search) and it likely cant 10x my(generic me) experience if i use adblock/ublock. browsers help you browse. search engines help you find. you can't browse if you don't know where to look. also, there are only ~3 browser engines that have serios market share. most browsers render the web the same way because of standards so they are just varying degrees of ui, convenience/ux and exterior service integration. does this make sense? that is how i have been thinking about it.

azakai 11y ago

I don't think brave is about security? It's about removing ads (and the consequences of that). Ads do matter to users, as if you remove them then the user sees they are no longer distracting and that things are faster.

vonklaus 11y ago
it has a heavy security component which is great one of the women who was a key hire built one or 2 encrypted communication companies. maybe they scaled back on marketing, but it is inherently security, privacy focused with the third value prop being, as you indicated, content control including ad filtering
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magicalist 11y ago

> a browser is almost 100% a commodity wrapped around a search engine I've seen you post this a few times, but I'm curious why you think this, because I haven't seen you give a good explanation and the connection seems like a total non sequitur to me. It would be huge for Brave to gain Opera's level of marketshare, for instance, and no one is downloading Opera because of its search engine.

vonklaus 11y ago
i seem to find that most people use their browsers to connect to google. many people use google as a web interface. almost everyone in english speaking countries use either microsoft edge/ie to connect to bing or use chrome to go to google or somewhere in between, although chrome has close to 60% of global browser marketshare. don't get me wrong, chrome is a great browser, but i argue that the integration with search & ancilliary services are why it is gaining share. so onbvious consolidation risk aside, and allowing one org to control how the world receives info (using pagerank/clone pf pagerank) a browser is a wrapper through which we receive info and typically that is through a search portal. i think brave is awesome and totally great. great product. great team. good vision. however, i think it is unlikely to 10x. it cant 10x my integration with search/info gathering(browsers browse literally synonym of search) and it likely cant 10x my(generic me) experience if i use adblock/ublock. browsers help you browse. search engines help you find. you can't browse if you don't know where to look. also, there are only ~3 browser engines that have serios market share. most browsers render the web the same way because of standards so they are just varying degrees of ui, convenience/ux and exterior service integration. does this make sense? that is how i have been thinking about it.