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That's a bizarre complaint. Companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook (and their CEOs) are all routinely discussed and criticized here. Nobody is "crucified" a

by pekk 11y ago

That's a bizarre complaint. Companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook (and their CEOs) are all routinely discussed and criticized here. Nobody is "crucified" and it is in no way specific to Facebook. Nor is HN somehow unique as a place where Facebook is criticized. Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?

criley2 11y ago
Not bizarre at all. I strongly disagree that companies like Google, Apple and Facebook are equivalently criticized and, in fact, I find that each one has the "primary criticism" and the "we don't talk about it" part of the business that is oddly ignored. For Google, "we don't talk about" their aggressive and abusing advertising practices, even though they themselves have written the book on invasive online advertising and monetization of free users. Instead, we criticize Facebook mainly for it. Nearly every thread on privacy attacks Zuckerberg by name while not even mentioning the Google corporation in abstract. Just an observation. "Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?" Why do you choose to attack me personally for posting an observation about discussion here? You claim that all are routinely criticized, so could you verify that by showing a conversation here which criticizes a Google executive by name for their advertising practices? I can find literally hundreds of conversations doing it to Zuck, but literally zero conversations criticizing ANY Google executive by name. Just an observation, of course.
- Sjenmann 11y ago
  So whats your point? As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine? Give me a break. With the 35 Billion the world has donated to him he is going to be an obvious target. The poor boy can use his brain and isn't being forced into his bullshit decisions. He could have just opensourced Facebook. He could have got it to work like IRC or email. There are a zillion options an imaginative mind can come up with, especially given the hubris about openness and society he peddles every time he gets on stage. I am quite happy with the amount of vitriol directed at him, and am even happier to read recently in this supposed open and connected world, he has created that he has to live surrounded by 20 bodyguards. Linus Torvalds and Jimmy Wales dont. And they are better models of what software can do any day of the week than Zuckerberg's bullshit generating creation.
  - criley2 11y ago
    >As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine? I love when a user invents a fake point, then spends their entire post attacking the fake point. Nice strawman, I hope it was pleasurable to knock it down, because other than giving yourself pleasure, I'm not quite sure why you chose to waste your time this way. >I am quite happy with the amount of vitriol directed at him, and am even happier to read recently in this supposed open and connected world, he has created that he has to live surrounded by 20 bodyguards. Frankly, you're a sick person and I pity you a little. No wonder you're a new account, this kind of nastiness is not the way this community behaves.
- EdHominem 11y ago
  Google sticks ads at the top of a search page it creates for you. Facebook pretends that it gives you a personal blog platform but it hides and reorders your content to shove more ads at you in otherwise private feeds.

by pekk 11y ago

criley2 11y ago

Not bizarre at all. I strongly disagree that companies like Google, Apple and Facebook are equivalently criticized and, in fact, I find that each one has the "primary criticism" and the "we don't talk about it" part of the business that is oddly ignored. For Google, "we don't talk about" their aggressive and abusing advertising practices, even though they themselves have written the book on invasive online advertising and monetization of free users. Instead, we criticize Facebook mainly for it. Nearly every thread on privacy attacks Zuckerberg by name while not even mentioning the Google corporation in abstract. Just an observation. "Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?" Why do you choose to attack me personally for posting an observation about discussion here? You claim that all are routinely criticized, so could you verify that by showing a conversation here which criticizes a Google executive by name for their advertising practices? I can find literally hundreds of conversations doing it to Zuck, but literally zero conversations criticizing ANY Google executive by name. Just an observation, of course.

Sjenmann 11y ago
So whats your point? As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine? Give me a break. With the 35 Billion the world has donated to him he is going to be an obvious target. The poor boy can use his brain and isn't being forced into his bullshit decisions. He could have just opensourced Facebook. He could have got it to work like IRC or email. There are a zillion options an imaginative mind can come up with, especially given the hubris about openness and society he peddles every time he gets on stage. I am quite happy with the amount of vitriol directed at him, and am even happier to read recently in this supposed open and connected world, he has created that he has to live surrounded by 20 bodyguards. Linus Torvalds and Jimmy Wales dont. And they are better models of what software can do any day of the week than Zuckerberg's bullshit generating creation.
- criley2 11y ago
  >As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine? I love when a user invents a fake point, then spends their entire post attacking the fake point. Nice strawman, I hope it was pleasurable to knock it down, because other than giving yourself pleasure, I'm not quite sure why you chose to waste your time this way. >I am quite happy with the amount of vitriol directed at him, and am even happier to read recently in this supposed open and connected world, he has created that he has to live surrounded by 20 bodyguards. Frankly, you're a sick person and I pity you a little. No wonder you're a new account, this kind of nastiness is not the way this community behaves.
EdHominem 11y ago
Google sticks ads at the top of a search page it creates for you. Facebook pretends that it gives you a personal blog platform but it hides and reorders your content to shove more ads at you in otherwise private feeds.