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> in what real business is $7/user/mo too expensive for anything? The whole Open Source community? Volunteer driven, donation funded projects? Non-Profit chari

> in what real business is $7/user/mo too expensive for anything? The whole Open Source community? Volunteer driven, donation funded projects? Non-Profit charities, mostly composed out of volunteers?

koolba 11y ago
> The whole Open Source community? Volunteer driven, donation funded projects? Non-Profit charities, mostly composed out of volunteers? None of those are businesses. Maybe I should have clarified but I meant a business as one where employees work for an organization that derives value from their work (say $A), the organization pays the employees some form of compensation ($B), and the expectation is that the value derived by each employee is more than the compensation (i.e $A > $B). In that model I don't see many places where ($A - $B) < $7.
- justJanne 11y ago
  Yes, they aren't for-profit entities. But they still require history, easy to use chat systems, easy integration into Dev systems, etc. That's what was better about IRC: you can self-host and get all of slacks features for very cheap.
  - tempestn 11y ago
    And you still can, right? There are still plenty of alternatives for those who can't or don't want to pay for Slack.
    - kuschku 11y ago
      It gets a lot harder when all the integrations only support webhooks or even only Slack.
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hk__2 11y ago
Slack offers its standard plan for free if you are a non-profit org. But you need to be an org; you can’t just walk in and claim your free plan if all you have is a GitHub repo and a (even large) community.
- kuschku 11y ago
  That’s not really the case for most projects that would wish to use it, though. Not everyone is KDE e.V.
st3v3r 11y ago
They said business. Of course things are going to be different for organizations that either have no revenue, or depend on donations.
- kuschku 11y ago
  But when a lot of tools and integrations only work with Slack, then open source projects often don’t have the time to reimplement them just for their own projects. The network effect leads to lots of open source projects having to choose slack – which, in turn, means they end up having to pay, without having revenue.

> in what real business is $7/user/mo too expensive for anything? The whole Open Source community? Volunteer driven, donation funded projects? Non-Profit charities, mostly composed out of volunteers?

koolba 11y ago

> The whole Open Source community? Volunteer driven, donation funded projects? Non-Profit charities, mostly composed out of volunteers? None of those are businesses. Maybe I should have clarified but I meant a business as one where employees work for an organization that derives value from their work (say $A), the organization pays the employees some form of compensation ($B), and the expectation is that the value derived by each employee is more than the compensation (i.e $A > $B). In that model I don't see many places where ($A - $B) < $7.

justJanne 11y ago
Yes, they aren't for-profit entities. But they still require history, easy to use chat systems, easy integration into Dev systems, etc. That's what was better about IRC: you can self-host and get all of slacks features for very cheap.
- tempestn 11y ago
  And you still can, right? There are still plenty of alternatives for those who can't or don't want to pay for Slack.
  - kuschku 11y ago
    It gets a lot harder when all the integrations only support webhooks or even only Slack.
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hk__2 11y ago

Slack offers its standard plan for free if you are a non-profit org. But you need to be an org; you can’t just walk in and claim your free plan if all you have is a GitHub repo and a (even large) community.

kuschku 11y ago
That’s not really the case for most projects that would wish to use it, though. Not everyone is KDE e.V.

st3v3r 11y ago

They said business. Of course things are going to be different for organizations that either have no revenue, or depend on donations.

kuschku 11y ago
But when a lot of tools and integrations only work with Slack, then open source projects often don’t have the time to reimplement them just for their own projects. The network effect leads to lots of open source projects having to choose slack – which, in turn, means they end up having to pay, without having revenue.