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"The bad actor is the individual who acts bad. The Post Office is not a bad actor for delivering letters." If they actively ignored death threats/didn't send t

"The bad actor is the individual who acts bad. The Post Office is not a bad actor for delivering letters." If they actively ignored death threats/didn't send them off to the police when it came to their attention, they become responsible. "The costs of bad actors are your costs." Cloudflare is sick and tired of getting attacked by people from the TOR network. I don't blame them for the ban. It's costing them money..and TOR isn't going to raise the funds to pay them for the lost bandwidth and customer revenue. We used to have a bigger problem with mail spam because server operators constantly would leave anonymous relaying open. How did we stop a great deal of it? By blacklisting the IP until the problem is fixed. It has worked out pretty well. "And you should realize that in doing it you're knowingly hurting innocent people." I guess we have to determine which 'innocent' people are more important: The ones getting their websites attacked and hacked anonymously, the people that can't access those websites because they are down/DOS attacked, or the random people that want to use the TOR network.

AnthonyMouse 11y ago
> If they actively ignored death threats/didn't send them off to the police when it came to their attention, they become responsible. The Post Office reads your mail? > We used to have a bigger problem with mail spam because server operators constantly would leave anonymous relaying open. How did we stop a great deal of it? By blacklisting the IP until the problem is fixed. It has worked out pretty well. Only if you're willing to disregard innocent people. > I guess we have to determine which 'innocent' people are more important: The ones getting their websites attacked and hacked anonymously, the people that can't access those websites because they are down/DOS attacked, or the random people that want to use the TOR network. The "random people" who use Tor aren't doing it because it's trendy. They're doing it because it's the only way they can access the internet. Or because not using it would get them stoned to death by religious fundamentalists or imprisoned by an oppressive government.

AnthonyMouse 11y ago

> If they actively ignored death threats/didn't send them off to the police when it came to their attention, they become responsible. The Post Office reads your mail? > We used to have a bigger problem with mail spam because server operators constantly would leave anonymous relaying open. How did we stop a great deal of it? By blacklisting the IP until the problem is fixed. It has worked out pretty well. Only if you're willing to disregard innocent people. > I guess we have to determine which 'innocent' people are more important: The ones getting their websites attacked and hacked anonymously, the people that can't access those websites because they are down/DOS attacked, or the random people that want to use the TOR network. The "random people" who use Tor aren't doing it because it's trendy. They're doing it because it's the only way they can access the internet. Or because not using it would get them stoned to death by religious fundamentalists or imprisoned by an oppressive government.