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"Advanced economies must still make things, but there's no rule that says that those things have to be made by people." There is indeed such a rule, although p
by rsync 11y ago
"Advanced economies must still make things, but there's no rule that says that those things have to be made by people."
There is indeed such a rule, although perhaps it is currently unnamed or not elucidated clearly/consistently.
The economy is made up of people and those people come from families and those people and their families are at different levels of maturity and capability.
You don't take a 5yo child to an R-rated movie.
You don't take a 10yo out drinking.
Similarly:
You do not take an unskilled J6P from a broken, or barely functional family background and just slot them into a STEM fast track and expect a robotics programmer to pop out the other side - even if it's all subsidized and paid for.
You do not take a family/clan/social group right out of (relative) poverty and unsophistication and plop them right into sunnyvale and instruct them all to go get technical jobs and start living like good upper middle class folks.
Running an economy that has people in it (the only kind I know of) without ladder rungs on the bottom is as silly as running a grade school with only 5th and 6th grade. No amount of subsidies or social welfare or coaching or lunch programs are going to let you slot a 6yo into 5th grade.
In the same way, we have people and families and groups in any society that just aren't ready to walk into the googleplex and start coding. They aren't ready socially, they aren't ready economically and they aren't ready intellectually - and I mean this on a multi-generational scale.
They need more than one lifetime to make this leap and the way they do that is within an economy that has decent, meaningful work for everyone.
If you take those bottom rungs away you should absolutely expect the same kind of chaos and dysfunction as you would find in an elementary school with only the 5th and 6th grade.
- azernik 11y agoLet me start with, I agree 100%. And then comes the "but". The public policy prescription often made in order to achieve this goal is to bring manufacturing back. Unfortunately (?) in advanced economies manufacturing is no longer a steady source of plentiful blue-collar jobs. I think that's what the parent comment was getting at with "there's no rule" - if you encourage the manufacturing sector, there's no rule that makes it create jobs when economic imperatives drive it to greater automation. Jobs that are available to people without much education, savings, or assorted social capital are absolutely necessary to the stability of our society. I just don't think manufacturing can get us those in a country with developed-country living standards. EDIT: Fixed lots of phone-keyboard typos.
- Retric 11y agoIMO a lot of jobs that end up going to illegal immigrants could be good blue collar jobs. Sure, right now landscaping etc has plenty of cheap day labor, but reduce the supply and suddenly people can make living wages. Think about it, 12 million illegal aliens is simply huge downward wage pressure. Granted, that would significantly increase costs and fewer people would have perfect landscaping. But, IMO we as a society would probably be better off. PS: I know someone with a job that is basically this stuff, he makes ~40k with benefits in a cheap area of North Carolina. Meanwhile people in DC are getting 1/2 that and no benefits.