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I am still looking for more security enabled in it. We can't go over to it yet as a company.

by gchorba 11y ago

vox_mollis 11y ago
Just run your own ircd, then you can set whatever security policies you want. Edit: downvoters, where am I wrong?
- kzhahou 11y ago
  I think the downvotes are because ircd != Slack. Setting up your own ircd is a whole other thing vs going to Slack.com and creating a Team. UI features, administration, it's all different. So we could have a whole conversation about whether irc is worth the effort... but now we've drifted far from the comment above, which is about lack of security features in Slack.
  - vox_mollis 11y ago
    We use Slack at my dayjob, and it's functionally not substantially different from IRC-in-a-browser. This is why I suggested ircd. I guess if OP believes slack IS substantially different from irc, then nevermind, but that should be their call to make.
    - dave2000 11y ago
      I think everyone other than you understands that slack is substantially different to irc.
      - blackrose 11y ago
        #brodoyouevengiphy
      - CaptSpify 11y ago
        How is it different? I'm genuinely asking, as I've never used slack.
        dave2000 11y ago
        Whenever I'd had to use irc I have a horrible flashback. I used to have to install really shitty software. Now I can use a browser. Not that this is perfect, but it's one less hassle. Then I have to find the server which is running the channel and remember/google how the fuck you're supposed to connect to it. Then you have to type #join, and then..no, do you pick a nickname first and then join? You have to hope no-ones impersonating you because it seems there's no security model for irc at all - you just have to trust people. You try and talk but no-one replies. Is that because there's no-one there? It looks like there's a lot of people there but they have odd characters in their names and some of the colours are different. Are those offline colours? Do the characters mean they're bots? No, someone tells you you're on silent and have to type something before you can speak. Ok, i'm logging in because i asked a question earlier and now i'm using a different pc. I'll just scroll up....what the fuck? I can't scroll up? I have to just stay logged in like...all the time? Ah, you say - yes, but you can install some software. Yes, that's where slack comes in. Except, instead of "install some software" you just "create an account" and log in and. Oh, that's it. Create a room, invite friends, or whatever. Post, DM people, scroll back, add rss feeds etc. It all just works. Nice android app too. Not that i'm trying to sell slack; i can take it or leave it. I'm sure there are alternatives to that. But I have literally no idea why in 2016 anyone would want to subject themselves to irc (plus whatever other crap you have to install/configure to make it bearable).
        CaptSpify 11y ago
        > But I have literally no idea why in 2016 anyone would want to subject themselves to irc (plus whatever other crap you have to install/configure to make it bearable). Although I'm not trying to discount what you want for chat... Everything you just desribed is super easy for me to do with IRC. I can customize it to look however I want, and just connect with the protocol. That's why I "subject myself to irc". All the commands you have trouble remembering, are customizeable, and muscle-memory for me. > Now I can use a browser. hmmm... that sounds like the opposite of what I want. To each their own I guess. > Not that i'm trying to sell slack Not at all. I asked for a comparison, and that's what you provided. I guess I just don't have any personal interest in it over IRC. Cheers!
    - jjawssd 11y ago
      Don't you get it? People are not willing to put up with older technology that works, because the UI design has fallen out of favor. People need something dumbed down, mobile friendly, with low barriers to entry, but most importantly of all: it has to be something everyone else is using. Because the most important proof is social proof. There is no place for your solution here /s
      - st3v3r 11y ago
        So none of the benefits that Slack brings over IRC exist? Easy file uploads aren't there? Built in persistence without having to fiddle with bouncers isn't there? Mobile apps that work well aren't there?
    - st3v3r 11y ago
      It is substantially different. Getting all the additional stuff that Slack offers bolted onto IRC would be a pain. Not to mention trying to support end users.
  - shopkins 11y ago
    I think his point was that IRC, too, allows instant communication, and self-hosting would allow parent to enforce necessary security policies. Not that it is or isn't worth the effort.
- vcarl 11y ago
  Slack offers markdown, message editing, emoji reactions (which I use the hell out of, one of my favorite features), large snippet sharing, link previews, in-app gif/youtube previews, don't need a logger for scrollback... I love IRC, but the features don't compare. You might be able to implement some/most/all of the missing features, but they're not available out of the box.
godzillabrennus 11y ago
Yeah it needs to give admins the right to enforce two step authentication on all users.
- harryh 11y ago
  It does this.
  - godzillabrennus 11y ago
    Last I checked it lets you enable it but doesn't enforce it on all users. Has this changed?
educar 11y ago
What security features are you looking for? It's like any other SaaS, isn't it?
- gchorba 11y ago
  One of the issues is that it is a SaaS, currently per certain regs, we can only use skype as our cloud chat, and even then only when it is one on one.
  - grinich 11y ago
    Which regulations?
- deleted 11y ago
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I am still looking for more security enabled in it. We can't go over to it yet as a company.

by gchorba 11y ago

I am still looking for more security enabled in it. We can't go over to it yet as a company.

vox_mollis 11y ago

Just run your own ircd, then you can set whatever security policies you want. Edit: downvoters, where am I wrong?

kzhahou 11y ago
I think the downvotes are because ircd != Slack. Setting up your own ircd is a whole other thing vs going to Slack.com and creating a Team. UI features, administration, it's all different. So we could have a whole conversation about whether irc is worth the effort... but now we've drifted far from the comment above, which is about lack of security features in Slack.
- vox_mollis 11y ago
  We use Slack at my dayjob, and it's functionally not substantially different from IRC-in-a-browser. This is why I suggested ircd. I guess if OP believes slack IS substantially different from irc, then nevermind, but that should be their call to make.
  - dave2000 11y ago
    I think everyone other than you understands that slack is substantially different to irc.
    - blackrose 11y ago
      #brodoyouevengiphy
    - CaptSpify 11y ago
      How is it different? I'm genuinely asking, as I've never used slack.
      - dave2000 11y ago
        Whenever I'd had to use irc I have a horrible flashback. I used to have to install really shitty software. Now I can use a browser. Not that this is perfect, but it's one less hassle. Then I have to find the server which is running the channel and remember/google how the fuck you're supposed to connect to it. Then you have to type #join, and then..no, do you pick a nickname first and then join? You have to hope no-ones impersonating you because it seems there's no security model for irc at all - you just have to trust people. You try and talk but no-one replies. Is that because there's no-one there? It looks like there's a lot of people there but they have odd characters in their names and some of the colours are different. Are those offline colours? Do the characters mean they're bots? No, someone tells you you're on silent and have to type something before you can speak. Ok, i'm logging in because i asked a question earlier and now i'm using a different pc. I'll just scroll up....what the fuck? I can't scroll up? I have to just stay logged in like...all the time? Ah, you say - yes, but you can install some software. Yes, that's where slack comes in. Except, instead of "install some software" you just "create an account" and log in and. Oh, that's it. Create a room, invite friends, or whatever. Post, DM people, scroll back, add rss feeds etc. It all just works. Nice android app too. Not that i'm trying to sell slack; i can take it or leave it. I'm sure there are alternatives to that. But I have literally no idea why in 2016 anyone would want to subject themselves to irc (plus whatever other crap you have to install/configure to make it bearable).
        CaptSpify 11y ago
        > But I have literally no idea why in 2016 anyone would want to subject themselves to irc (plus whatever other crap you have to install/configure to make it bearable). Although I'm not trying to discount what you want for chat... Everything you just desribed is super easy for me to do with IRC. I can customize it to look however I want, and just connect with the protocol. That's why I "subject myself to irc". All the commands you have trouble remembering, are customizeable, and muscle-memory for me. > Now I can use a browser. hmmm... that sounds like the opposite of what I want. To each their own I guess. > Not that i'm trying to sell slack Not at all. I asked for a comparison, and that's what you provided. I guess I just don't have any personal interest in it over IRC. Cheers!
  - jjawssd 11y ago
    Don't you get it? People are not willing to put up with older technology that works, because the UI design has fallen out of favor. People need something dumbed down, mobile friendly, with low barriers to entry, but most importantly of all: it has to be something everyone else is using. Because the most important proof is social proof. There is no place for your solution here /s
    - st3v3r 11y ago
      So none of the benefits that Slack brings over IRC exist? Easy file uploads aren't there? Built in persistence without having to fiddle with bouncers isn't there? Mobile apps that work well aren't there?
  - st3v3r 11y ago
    It is substantially different. Getting all the additional stuff that Slack offers bolted onto IRC would be a pain. Not to mention trying to support end users.
- shopkins 11y ago
  I think his point was that IRC, too, allows instant communication, and self-hosting would allow parent to enforce necessary security policies. Not that it is or isn't worth the effort.
vcarl 11y ago
Slack offers markdown, message editing, emoji reactions (which I use the hell out of, one of my favorite features), large snippet sharing, link previews, in-app gif/youtube previews, don't need a logger for scrollback... I love IRC, but the features don't compare. You might be able to implement some/most/all of the missing features, but they're not available out of the box.

godzillabrennus 11y ago

Yeah it needs to give admins the right to enforce two step authentication on all users.

harryh 11y ago
It does this.
- godzillabrennus 11y ago
  Last I checked it lets you enable it but doesn't enforce it on all users. Has this changed?

educar 11y ago

What security features are you looking for? It's like any other SaaS, isn't it?

gchorba 11y ago
One of the issues is that it is a SaaS, currently per certain regs, we can only use skype as our cloud chat, and even then only when it is one on one.
- grinich 11y ago
  Which regulations?
deleted 11y ago
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