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The closing line: >> It is stealing me as much time as they can. They are fighting to get my attention span, only to feed me with more ads. They are just like

The closing line: >> It is stealing me as much time as they can. They are fighting to get my attention span, only to feed me with more ads. They are just like the television. That's an interesting point. Seems like that can be applied to a long list of sites/apps now (or maybe it's always been like that, not sure now is any different).

Odinly 11y ago
Well its apt that Mark Zuckerberg gets the blame then. There really should be a weekly game. Top score to the person with the most items added to the list - If Mark Zuckerberg was running Wikipedia: 1. Everybody in the world would need an account to access it. 2. The most liked parts of a topic, lets say Linear Algebra, would appear before everything else on the topic. 3. A "free basics" version of Wikipedia would be made available to those who can't afford cake. 4. <please continue> Next week we play, if Mark Zuckerberg was running Linux.
- Joky 11y ago
  Not sure why focusing on Mark Z. It sounds to me like rather "if Wikipedia was a business"...
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    Excellent point! Shall we start the discussion about how some of these services should be B Corps/non-profits with a governance board? Like Wikipedia?
- criley2 11y ago
  >"Next week we play, if Mark Zuckerberg was running Linux." I prefer the game "Crucify Mark Zuckerberg for following Google's lead". Although every day is that game around here :)
  - pekk 11y ago
    That's a bizarre complaint. Companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook (and their CEOs) are all routinely discussed and criticized here. Nobody is "crucified" and it is in no way specific to Facebook. Nor is HN somehow unique as a place where Facebook is criticized. Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?
    - criley2 11y ago
      Not bizarre at all. I strongly disagree that companies like Google, Apple and Facebook are equivalently criticized and, in fact, I find that each one has the "primary criticism" and the "we don't talk about it" part of the business that is oddly ignored. For Google, "we don't talk about" their aggressive and abusing advertising practices, even though they themselves have written the book on invasive online advertising and monetization of free users. Instead, we criticize Facebook mainly for it. Nearly every thread on privacy attacks Zuckerberg by name while not even mentioning the Google corporation in abstract. Just an observation. "Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?" Why do you choose to attack me personally for posting an observation about discussion here? You claim that all are routinely criticized, so could you verify that by showing a conversation here which criticizes a Google executive by name for their advertising practices? I can find literally hundreds of conversations doing it to Zuck, but literally zero conversations criticizing ANY Google executive by name. Just an observation, of course.
      - Sjenmann 11y ago
        So whats your point? As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine? Give me a break. With the 35 Billion the world has donated to him he is going to be an obvious target. The poor boy can use his brain and isn't being forced into his bullshit decisions. He could have just opensourced Facebook. He could have got it to work like IRC or email. There are a zillion options an imaginative mind can come up with, especially given the hubris about openness and society he peddles every time he gets on stage. I am quite happy with the amount of vitriol directed at him, and am even happier to read recently in this supposed open and connected world, he has created that he has to live surrounded by 20 bodyguards. Linus Torvalds and Jimmy Wales dont. And they are better models of what software can do any day of the week than Zuckerberg's bullshit generating creation.
dave2000 11y ago
It's not really all that interesting, is it? It's what every business does; to try and make money from you. They make films you want to watch, books you want to read, music you want to listen to, and websites you want to read. Even blogs.
- Joky 11y ago
  Business that are here to try to "make money from you" sucks and don't stay around if there is good/honest competition. I think good businesses should try to provide you with the best product/service, in way that they can satisfy you while making profits.
tdkl 11y ago
In the future, our attention will be sold: http://markmanson.net/attention http://markmanson.net/attention

Odinly 11y ago

Well its apt that Mark Zuckerberg gets the blame then. There really should be a weekly game. Top score to the person with the most items added to the list - If Mark Zuckerberg was running Wikipedia: 1. Everybody in the world would need an account to access it. 2. The most liked parts of a topic, lets say Linear Algebra, would appear before everything else on the topic. 3. A "free basics" version of Wikipedia would be made available to those who can't afford cake. 4. <please continue> Next week we play, if Mark Zuckerberg was running Linux.

Joky 11y ago
Not sure why focusing on Mark Z. It sounds to me like rather "if Wikipedia was a business"...
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  Excellent point! Shall we start the discussion about how some of these services should be B Corps/non-profits with a governance board? Like Wikipedia?
criley2 11y ago
>"Next week we play, if Mark Zuckerberg was running Linux." I prefer the game "Crucify Mark Zuckerberg for following Google's lead". Although every day is that game around here :)
- pekk 11y ago
  That's a bizarre complaint. Companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook (and their CEOs) are all routinely discussed and criticized here. Nobody is "crucified" and it is in no way specific to Facebook. Nor is HN somehow unique as a place where Facebook is criticized. Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?
  - criley2 11y ago
    Not bizarre at all. I strongly disagree that companies like Google, Apple and Facebook are equivalently criticized and, in fact, I find that each one has the "primary criticism" and the "we don't talk about it" part of the business that is oddly ignored. For Google, "we don't talk about" their aggressive and abusing advertising practices, even though they themselves have written the book on invasive online advertising and monetization of free users. Instead, we criticize Facebook mainly for it. Nearly every thread on privacy attacks Zuckerberg by name while not even mentioning the Google corporation in abstract. Just an observation. "Why so sensitive on Zuckerberg's behalf?" Why do you choose to attack me personally for posting an observation about discussion here? You claim that all are routinely criticized, so could you verify that by showing a conversation here which criticizes a Google executive by name for their advertising practices? I can find literally hundreds of conversations doing it to Zuck, but literally zero conversations criticizing ANY Google executive by name. Just an observation, of course.
    - Sjenmann 11y ago
      So whats your point? As long as Zuck is doing what everyone else is doing its fine? Give me a break. With the 35 Billion the world has donated to him he is going to be an obvious target. The poor boy can use his brain and isn't being forced into his bullshit decisions. He could have just opensourced Facebook. He could have got it to work like IRC or email. There are a zillion options an imaginative mind can come up with, especially given the hubris about openness and society he peddles every time he gets on stage. I am quite happy with the amount of vitriol directed at him, and am even happier to read recently in this supposed open and connected world, he has created that he has to live surrounded by 20 bodyguards. Linus Torvalds and Jimmy Wales dont. And they are better models of what software can do any day of the week than Zuckerberg's bullshit generating creation.

dave2000 11y ago

It's not really all that interesting, is it? It's what every business does; to try and make money from you. They make films you want to watch, books you want to read, music you want to listen to, and websites you want to read. Even blogs.

Joky 11y ago
Business that are here to try to "make money from you" sucks and don't stay around if there is good/honest competition. I think good businesses should try to provide you with the best product/service, in way that they can satisfy you while making profits.

tdkl 11y ago

In the future, our attention will be sold: http://markmanson.net/attention http://markmanson.net/attention