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That's a crazy thing to do. Why would you block everyone? This would completely erode privacy online. As I said elsewhere, if you see 1000 masked people rush i

by lqdc13 11y ago

That's a crazy thing to do. Why would you block everyone? This would completely erode privacy online. As I said elsewhere, if you see 1000 masked people rush into a bar and block the entrance with their bodies, is the solution to block all masked people from going to all establishments? Clearly, if this happened IRL, people would just put a limit on the number of masked people entering that bar until there wasn't a group of 1000 of them trying to get in.

wvenable 11y ago
Except tell the individuals apart and so you can't limit it to 1,000 individuals. You can't just let some in if you can't tell them apart. There is no door that works that way in this case. It's best to imagine it's a walk-up bar rather than one with a door.
yxlx 11y ago
>Clearly, if this happened IRL, people would just put a limit on the number of masked people entering that bar until there wasn't a group of 1000 of them trying to get in. IRL, the bar would call the police and anti-riot forces would move in with crowd control equipment. Tear gass would be launced at the masked people and a lot of the masked people would be hauled to the police station where their identity would be recorded and a background check would be performed. It's not pretty but it's reasonable. I have used Tor out of a legitimate wish for privacy. I have cursed Cloudflare and Google in passing to myself for their captchas presented to me when I've browsed through Tor. Captchas in general are a royal pain in the butt, but they are among the most effective at protecting sites from abuse, so even though they annoy me at times, I hold the view that they are a net positive. If you want to help preserve anonymity, I think the best course of action is not to focus on Clouflare, but instead to help maintain one or more communities on onion sites. The change must come from within. Once it has been shown that an onion site is able to provide useful services over time with privacy but with the same level of protection from abuse and bad people, then, in my view, it is time to reach out and educate the wider 'net on how this can be done.
NeutronBoy 11y ago
> As I said elsewhere, if you see 1000 masked people rush into a bar and block the entrance with their bodies, is the solution to block all masked people from going to all establishments? Try wearing a mask into a petrol station or convenience store. They've already performed the assessment of 'potential sale vs getting robbed', and decided the risk factor they'd like to accept.
- lqdc13 11y ago
  That's because IRL you're already pseudo anonymous. Now imagine a convenience store that demands you to tell them where you've been this month and doesn't let you in otherwise.

by lqdc13 11y ago

wvenable 11y ago

Except tell the individuals apart and so you can't limit it to 1,000 individuals. You can't just let some in if you can't tell them apart. There is no door that works that way in this case. It's best to imagine it's a walk-up bar rather than one with a door.

yxlx 11y ago

>Clearly, if this happened IRL, people would just put a limit on the number of masked people entering that bar until there wasn't a group of 1000 of them trying to get in. IRL, the bar would call the police and anti-riot forces would move in with crowd control equipment. Tear gass would be launced at the masked people and a lot of the masked people would be hauled to the police station where their identity would be recorded and a background check would be performed. It's not pretty but it's reasonable. I have used Tor out of a legitimate wish for privacy. I have cursed Cloudflare and Google in passing to myself for their captchas presented to me when I've browsed through Tor. Captchas in general are a royal pain in the butt, but they are among the most effective at protecting sites from abuse, so even though they annoy me at times, I hold the view that they are a net positive. If you want to help preserve anonymity, I think the best course of action is not to focus on Clouflare, but instead to help maintain one or more communities on onion sites. The change must come from within. Once it has been shown that an onion site is able to provide useful services over time with privacy but with the same level of protection from abuse and bad people, then, in my view, it is time to reach out and educate the wider 'net on how this can be done.

NeutronBoy 11y ago

> As I said elsewhere, if you see 1000 masked people rush into a bar and block the entrance with their bodies, is the solution to block all masked people from going to all establishments? Try wearing a mask into a petrol station or convenience store. They've already performed the assessment of 'potential sale vs getting robbed', and decided the risk factor they'd like to accept.

lqdc13 11y ago
That's because IRL you're already pseudo anonymous. Now imagine a convenience store that demands you to tell them where you've been this month and doesn't let you in otherwise.