> Only the final goal of improving outcomes matters, and indulging the emotional human demand for punishment does not necessarily help that goal, it can even se

> Only the final goal of improving outcomes matters, and indulging the emotional human demand for punishment does not necessarily help that goal, it can even seriously hinder it. If only we could apply the same rationality to, say, the penal system. I completely agree. Humanity still has to grow up, to realize that helping other people is lot more efficient than punishment. I like the quote: "Emphasis on punishment is the sign of an obedience frame."