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It seems to be a combination of the Silicon Valley echo chamber + groupthink. They're completely ignorant of any perspective that isn't their own. It's the one

It seems to be a combination of the Silicon Valley echo chamber + groupthink. They're completely ignorant of any perspective that isn't their own. It's the one thing I hate about Android. The UIs of Google apps have gotten consistently worse over the years, mainly because they've been prioritizing aesthetics over functionality/ease of use. I'm assuming their thought process is something along the lines of "This is obvious to me. Therefore, it will be obvious to the millions of Android users". No, it's obvious to you because you just thought of it, it's most definitely not obvious to everyone else.

euyyn 11y ago
> didn't understand humans enough > They're completely ignorant of any perspective that isn't their own. It's like people commenting on Hacker News have never made a mistake or have something backfire at them.
- gthtjtkt 11y ago
  It's not like I'm in a position to do so anyway, but I would never consider implementing some kind of prank into a vital service that hundreds of millions of people use on a daily basis. Let alone a prank that could be so easily mistaken for a core function of the service. Words can't even begin to describe how arrogant/stupid this was, and now users are paying the price.
- Jare 11y ago
  Not all mistakes are born equal in reach and consequences. I would like to think that yes, most people in HN (most people, period) would not make a mistake like this.
enraged_camel 11y ago
>>It seems to be a combination of the Silicon Valley echo chamber + groupthink. They're completely ignorant of any perspective that isn't their own. This is totally expected when your employees are overwhelmingly in their 20s and have never held a job outside of a tech company in the valley. My old company was full of developers like that. Fresh out of college, doesn't know how the real world works, yet is expected to develop products for the real world. It was horribly frustrating working with them.
gukov 11y ago
Makes you wonder if the huge campuses in SF is really a good idea.
dave2000 11y ago
> It's the one thing I hate about Android. The UIs of Google > apps have gotten consistently worse over the years, mainly > because they've been prioritizing aesthetics over > functionality/ease of use. Care to elaborate on this with a few examples? I have the opposite complaint. They seem to be focussing on ease of use precisely at the expense of functionality. I'd rather stuff was a little more complicated, because it would give me more control over stuff. Note that I don't want it complicated for the sake of complexity. But I've noticed a increase in "adding features makes stuff complicated" and joke memes about "just make it an option". Well, programming - proper programming - IS hard, but it's worth it because you get a better product.
- jeffmould 11y ago
  Not an Android feature, but similar. Last year someone at Google thought it would be smart to redesign the bookmark feature in Chrome to make it more aesthetic looking. Instead it completely made Chrome bookmarks useless. They eventually changed course and updated Chrome to return to the way it was. On Android, I really don't have any problems.
- wyck 11y ago
  Google maps UI has gotten much worse over the last few years in terms of usability > aesthetics. It not even close to being intuitive anymore.
- anonred 11y ago
  Also not Android, but Google has rendered the App Engine/Compute Engine dashboard completely useless. Double overlapping sidebars and a huge amount of wasted space everywhere makes simple tasks like finding a log entry difficult. The old design at appengine.google.com which Google is slowly deprecating was highly functional despite not being flat and "pretty." This is just one example. It's my personal opinion that Google is showing a tremendous lack of design ability in areas that they should be getting right at this point. /rant
  - cxseven 11y ago
    Of all the Google things that doesn't need to imitate a spare Apple design, it's APPENGINE

euyyn 11y ago

> didn't understand humans enough > They're completely ignorant of any perspective that isn't their own. It's like people commenting on Hacker News have never made a mistake or have something backfire at them.

gthtjtkt 11y ago
It's not like I'm in a position to do so anyway, but I would never consider implementing some kind of prank into a vital service that hundreds of millions of people use on a daily basis. Let alone a prank that could be so easily mistaken for a core function of the service. Words can't even begin to describe how arrogant/stupid this was, and now users are paying the price.
Jare 11y ago
Not all mistakes are born equal in reach and consequences. I would like to think that yes, most people in HN (most people, period) would not make a mistake like this.

enraged_camel 11y ago

>>It seems to be a combination of the Silicon Valley echo chamber + groupthink. They're completely ignorant of any perspective that isn't their own. This is totally expected when your employees are overwhelmingly in their 20s and have never held a job outside of a tech company in the valley. My old company was full of developers like that. Fresh out of college, doesn't know how the real world works, yet is expected to develop products for the real world. It was horribly frustrating working with them.

gukov 11y ago

Makes you wonder if the huge campuses in SF is really a good idea.

dave2000 11y ago

> It's the one thing I hate about Android. The UIs of Google > apps have gotten consistently worse over the years, mainly > because they've been prioritizing aesthetics over > functionality/ease of use. Care to elaborate on this with a few examples? I have the opposite complaint. They seem to be focussing on ease of use precisely at the expense of functionality. I'd rather stuff was a little more complicated, because it would give me more control over stuff. Note that I don't want it complicated for the sake of complexity. But I've noticed a increase in "adding features makes stuff complicated" and joke memes about "just make it an option". Well, programming - proper programming - IS hard, but it's worth it because you get a better product.

jeffmould 11y ago
Not an Android feature, but similar. Last year someone at Google thought it would be smart to redesign the bookmark feature in Chrome to make it more aesthetic looking. Instead it completely made Chrome bookmarks useless. They eventually changed course and updated Chrome to return to the way it was. On Android, I really don't have any problems.
wyck 11y ago
Google maps UI has gotten much worse over the last few years in terms of usability > aesthetics. It not even close to being intuitive anymore.
anonred 11y ago
Also not Android, but Google has rendered the App Engine/Compute Engine dashboard completely useless. Double overlapping sidebars and a huge amount of wasted space everywhere makes simple tasks like finding a log entry difficult. The old design at appengine.google.com which Google is slowly deprecating was highly functional despite not being flat and "pretty." This is just one example. It's my personal opinion that Google is showing a tremendous lack of design ability in areas that they should be getting right at this point. /rant
- cxseven 11y ago
  Of all the Google things that doesn't need to imitate a spare Apple design, it's APPENGINE