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It's not a binary thing. You can regulate out fraud, abuse, and DDoS attacks without harming the legitimate use cases. It's like selling alcohol (cigarettes, p

by scurvy 11y ago

It's not a binary thing. You can regulate out fraud, abuse, and DDoS attacks without harming the legitimate use cases. It's like selling alcohol (cigarettes, porn, gambling), but not to minors. You can say "it's OK for this crowd not OK for this crowd". Otherwise you'd probably claim that said regulation would go against the very thing that the merchant is trying to do: make as much money as possible.

dublinben 11y ago
>You can regulate out fraud, abuse, and DDoS attacks without harming the legitimate use cases. How? If you think this was possible without completely compromising the Tor protocol, don't you think it would have been done already?
Etzos 11y ago
It's very easy to say that one can filter out certain things, but in practice I think it's far more difficult. Especially in Tor's case where the goal is to provide truly anonymous access. Do you have a proposal for filtering out that kind of traffic while allowing other traffic? I can't think of a way off the top of my head and I'm sure the people behind Tor would at least consider a logical solution. Edit: This sounds kind of confrontational, but I don't mean it like that. I honestly would like to hear of a potential solution to this because I really can't think of one.
Spearchucker 11y ago
"It's like selling alcohol (cigarettes, porn, gambling), but not to minors." It's not like that at all, because selling to everyone other than minors requires identity. Sure, you just need to verify the subject is over 18, i.e. you don't need to know name, birth date or address. But you DO need to know identity to issue the token that provisions the token that proves an age > 18. And that breaks Tor's raison d'être.
baldfat 11y ago
> It's not a binary thing. Well the thing is how do you regulate totally anonymous users? How would you know what the binary 0 and 1 are doing in tor?

by scurvy 11y ago

dublinben 11y ago

>You can regulate out fraud, abuse, and DDoS attacks without harming the legitimate use cases. How? If you think this was possible without completely compromising the Tor protocol, don't you think it would have been done already?

Etzos 11y ago

It's very easy to say that one can filter out certain things, but in practice I think it's far more difficult. Especially in Tor's case where the goal is to provide truly anonymous access. Do you have a proposal for filtering out that kind of traffic while allowing other traffic? I can't think of a way off the top of my head and I'm sure the people behind Tor would at least consider a logical solution. Edit: This sounds kind of confrontational, but I don't mean it like that. I honestly would like to hear of a potential solution to this because I really can't think of one.

Spearchucker 11y ago

"It's like selling alcohol (cigarettes, porn, gambling), but not to minors." It's not like that at all, because selling to everyone other than minors requires identity. Sure, you just need to verify the subject is over 18, i.e. you don't need to know name, birth date or address. But you DO need to know identity to issue the token that provisions the token that proves an age > 18. And that breaks Tor's raison d'être.

baldfat 11y ago

> It's not a binary thing. Well the thing is how do you regulate totally anonymous users? How would you know what the binary 0 and 1 are doing in tor?