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Cloudflare's purpose is to make money. If anyone thinks they are here to help make the world better, that's a naive view. Tor's purpose is to help people access

Cloudflare's purpose is to make money. If anyone thinks they are here to help make the world better, that's a naive view. Tor's purpose is to help people access data that may be inaccessible to them without it and to help guard against invasion of privacy. While those things can be used for illicit purposes (as shown by the amount of rouge traffic on Tor exit nodes) the return on quality of life for the whole is greatly improved. Tor literally makes the world a better place, regardless of the fact malicious traffic also comes out of it. Cloudflare does not make the world better for everyone, but it does a great job of making the world better for those who have access to resources, such as dedicated IPs and venture capitalists. Capitalism has failed, and it's starting to force that fail onto the Internet in a big way. We need to be smarter about how we approach building trusted infrastructure. All that starts with how we approach building infrastructure companies. If it's an infrastructure service model and it ain't bootstrapped and sustainable, don't use it.

drinchev 11y ago
That's a sad statement. Cloudflare is one of my role model for publicity and profit tactics. Everyone can use Cloudflare for free. Companies are their only customers.
- nxzero 11y ago
  Cloudflare literally and knowingly sucks the life out of people by consuming their time and forcing them to perform labor for free to the benefit of their business partners to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. Unless they attempt to change, sorry, but they are a bad company, potiental evil if the data is being used to dox TOR users via a NSL.
- kordless 11y ago
  I hear that statement may make you sad, but statements themselves hold no emotions, unless you are speaking for the feelings of those who made the statement. I don't allow others to speak for my feelings and I try to not speak for theirs. The hard fact is that capitalism is a complex type of game theory, with the objective of winning and making more money. If there are those that think that building the best infrastructure we can for all is dependent on building companies that make VCs and limited partnerships even more money, I will do whatever is in my power to dispel those beliefs. I do this because I believe our future is dependent on it, not because I'm sad about it. If anything, I don't trust the current process.

drinchev 11y ago

That's a sad statement. Cloudflare is one of my role model for publicity and profit tactics. Everyone can use Cloudflare for free. Companies are their only customers.

nxzero 11y ago
Cloudflare literally and knowingly sucks the life out of people by consuming their time and forcing them to perform labor for free to the benefit of their business partners to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. Unless they attempt to change, sorry, but they are a bad company, potiental evil if the data is being used to dox TOR users via a NSL.
kordless 11y ago
I hear that statement may make you sad, but statements themselves hold no emotions, unless you are speaking for the feelings of those who made the statement. I don't allow others to speak for my feelings and I try to not speak for theirs. The hard fact is that capitalism is a complex type of game theory, with the objective of winning and making more money. If there are those that think that building the best infrastructure we can for all is dependent on building companies that make VCs and limited partnerships even more money, I will do whatever is in my power to dispel those beliefs. I do this because I believe our future is dependent on it, not because I'm sad about it. If anything, I don't trust the current process.