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Taking extreme positions doesn't win elections unfortunately. Trump has a few of his own extreme opinions and I feel relatively confident he's going to lose pre

by beeboop 11y ago

Taking extreme positions doesn't win elections unfortunately. Trump has a few of his own extreme opinions and I feel relatively confident he's going to lose pretty bad to Hillary because of it. Hillary is the master of no extremes.

tallerholler 11y ago
> Hillary is the master of no extremes. except for consistently lying...
- pmoriarty 11y ago
  Are there any successful politicians that don't consistently lie?
  - tallerholler 11y ago
    I would say no but she's pretty bold and consistent
pmoriarty 11y ago
"Hillary is the master of no extremes." That really depends on where you're coming from, politically. Compared to some places in the world, the most "liberal" and "socialist" Democrat (no, not Hillary) is already a right wing extremist. For starters: She's a hawk. She and her husband deliberately came in to office to push the already right-leaning Democratic party further to the right. She's for enlarging the already massive surveillance state. These are not moderate positions to a lot of people. Maybe moderate compared to Trump. Regarding whether a moderate or an extremist is more likely to win, there's little evidence that Presidential elections get decided on political positions. Sadly, personality and style are far more significant.
- Grishnakh 11y ago
  I disagree about her being moderate compared to Trump. I fully intend to vote for Trump if it comes down to a race between Trump and her, because in my view, Trump is far more moderate than Hillary. As you said, Hillary is a war hawk, and I believe she'll start another war in the middle east. Trump, by contrast (despite all his crazy rhetoric about building a wall etc.), has preached non-intervention for the most part, not starting unnecessary wars, and really pissed off the Republican establishment by calling Bush's Iraq war "stupid". I don't believe he'll start a needless war. He might do a bunch of other things, but to me that's a big enough factor that I'll vote for him over Hillary. Add in the plain fact that she's sold out to Goldman Sachs and the private prison industry and Trump really looks quite reasonable by comparison. Of course, my preferred choice is Bernie, but with how plainly and obviously corrupt the DNC is, I don't have a lot of hope of him getting the Dem nomination and running in the general election. Maybe things will go totally haywire and both Bernie and Trump will get pissed and run as independents after the establishment railroads them both, and then we'll have a 4-way race.
- beeboop 11y ago
  The only perspective that really matters is the average American voter. The average American voter, in some parts of the country, would possibly disagree with Hillary's gun control stance, but she's not really vocal about that and nothing else comes to mind that either side of the aisle would really care about. Of course there's the minority who care about things like privacy, TTP, campaign finance, etc. Most that's a pretty small niche and I doubt most Americans are even aware those issues exist. If you removed gun control views Hillary could run just fine as a Republican. She's in favor of climate change policies too, which establishment Republicans disagree with, but I don't see many average joe Republicans giving a shit about it.
at-fates-hands 11y ago
Hilary has her own set of issues, including an ongoing FBI investigation. You are right though, she really has no extreme stances. This is mainly due to the fact she tailors her views and policies to what's popular at the time.

by beeboop 11y ago

tallerholler 11y ago

> Hillary is the master of no extremes. except for consistently lying...

pmoriarty 11y ago
Are there any successful politicians that don't consistently lie?
- tallerholler 11y ago
  I would say no but she's pretty bold and consistent

pmoriarty 11y ago

"Hillary is the master of no extremes." That really depends on where you're coming from, politically. Compared to some places in the world, the most "liberal" and "socialist" Democrat (no, not Hillary) is already a right wing extremist. For starters: She's a hawk. She and her husband deliberately came in to office to push the already right-leaning Democratic party further to the right. She's for enlarging the already massive surveillance state. These are not moderate positions to a lot of people. Maybe moderate compared to Trump. Regarding whether a moderate or an extremist is more likely to win, there's little evidence that Presidential elections get decided on political positions. Sadly, personality and style are far more significant.

Grishnakh 11y ago
I disagree about her being moderate compared to Trump. I fully intend to vote for Trump if it comes down to a race between Trump and her, because in my view, Trump is far more moderate than Hillary. As you said, Hillary is a war hawk, and I believe she'll start another war in the middle east. Trump, by contrast (despite all his crazy rhetoric about building a wall etc.), has preached non-intervention for the most part, not starting unnecessary wars, and really pissed off the Republican establishment by calling Bush's Iraq war "stupid". I don't believe he'll start a needless war. He might do a bunch of other things, but to me that's a big enough factor that I'll vote for him over Hillary. Add in the plain fact that she's sold out to Goldman Sachs and the private prison industry and Trump really looks quite reasonable by comparison. Of course, my preferred choice is Bernie, but with how plainly and obviously corrupt the DNC is, I don't have a lot of hope of him getting the Dem nomination and running in the general election. Maybe things will go totally haywire and both Bernie and Trump will get pissed and run as independents after the establishment railroads them both, and then we'll have a 4-way race.
beeboop 11y ago
The only perspective that really matters is the average American voter. The average American voter, in some parts of the country, would possibly disagree with Hillary's gun control stance, but she's not really vocal about that and nothing else comes to mind that either side of the aisle would really care about. Of course there's the minority who care about things like privacy, TTP, campaign finance, etc. Most that's a pretty small niche and I doubt most Americans are even aware those issues exist. If you removed gun control views Hillary could run just fine as a Republican. She's in favor of climate change policies too, which establishment Republicans disagree with, but I don't see many average joe Republicans giving a shit about it.

at-fates-hands 11y ago

Hilary has her own set of issues, including an ongoing FBI investigation. You are right though, she really has no extreme stances. This is mainly due to the fact she tailors her views and policies to what's popular at the time.