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I can still install the exact same software as Red Hat Linux – except for a difference in name only – in the form of CentOS, for free, both as in beer and speec

I can still install the exact same software as Red Hat Linux – except for a difference in name only – in the form of CentOS, for free, both as in beer and speech. I still can't install MS Windows for free or without EULA.

pjmlp 11y ago
I can. In Germany EULA don't have legal value. Actually in most European countries, if you only get to read the EULA after paying, it doesn't have legal value.
- pritambaral 11y ago
  I was speaking in the context of my parent post. It is good to know there is some legal haven where post-transaction EULAs are disregarded, though, thanks.
  - speeder 11y ago
    I wish this would spread more. For example currently noone submit community made patches of SimCity 4 to SimCity 4 forums, because the EULA forbid it, and Electronic Arts DID contacted forum owners about it, saying that if they allow SimCity 4 patches in their forums and sites, the EULA will get enforced and they will get sued. Even discussing making a community patch for SimCity 4 get you banned on those forums... I am very sure that if EULA were non-enforceable in the entire world, people would start patching SimCity 4 to work properly on new computers in 6 months at most.
    - jdmichal 11y ago
      That makes no sense, except from an overstepping-legally-and-relying-on-unsophisticated-second-party point of view. How is a forum in any way bound to the game's EULA? As a trivial point, let's say the forum is owned by a company. So EA is going to sue the company for breaking terms in the EULA of its game? How did the company become beholden to those terms in the first place?
- superuser2 11y ago
  >if you only get to read the EULA after paying Not relevant to Microsoft, or any consumer-facing company with a website really. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/useterms https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/useterms
  - pjmlp 11y ago
    You have to prove that the customer was made aware at the shop that such link exists and decided consciously to ignore the advise. Legal stuff is fun, hence lawyers.

pjmlp 11y ago

I can. In Germany EULA don't have legal value. Actually in most European countries, if you only get to read the EULA after paying, it doesn't have legal value.

pritambaral 11y ago
I was speaking in the context of my parent post. It is good to know there is some legal haven where post-transaction EULAs are disregarded, though, thanks.
- speeder 11y ago
  I wish this would spread more. For example currently noone submit community made patches of SimCity 4 to SimCity 4 forums, because the EULA forbid it, and Electronic Arts DID contacted forum owners about it, saying that if they allow SimCity 4 patches in their forums and sites, the EULA will get enforced and they will get sued. Even discussing making a community patch for SimCity 4 get you banned on those forums... I am very sure that if EULA were non-enforceable in the entire world, people would start patching SimCity 4 to work properly on new computers in 6 months at most.
  - jdmichal 11y ago
    That makes no sense, except from an overstepping-legally-and-relying-on-unsophisticated-second-party point of view. How is a forum in any way bound to the game's EULA? As a trivial point, let's say the forum is owned by a company. So EA is going to sue the company for breaking terms in the EULA of its game? How did the company become beholden to those terms in the first place?
superuser2 11y ago
>if you only get to read the EULA after paying Not relevant to Microsoft, or any consumer-facing company with a website really. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/useterms https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/useterms
- pjmlp 11y ago
  You have to prove that the customer was made aware at the shop that such link exists and decided consciously to ignore the advise. Legal stuff is fun, hence lawyers.