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Rather than mislead everyone, why not quote what exactly you disagree with, and offer evidence? - "How could Isis be eliminated? In the region, everyone knows.

Rather than mislead everyone, why not quote what exactly you disagree with, and offer evidence? - "How could Isis be eliminated? In the region, everyone knows. All it would really take would be to unleash the largely Kurdish forces of the YPG (Democratic Union party) in Syria, and PKK (Kurdistan Workers’ party) guerillas in Iraq and Turkey. These are, currently, the main forces actually fighting Isis on the ground. They have proved extraordinarily militarily effective and oppose every aspect of Isis’s reactionary ideology." (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-...) - Erdogan went apeshit after HDP deprived him his parliament majority: "The cynicism behind Erdogan’s calculation to launch a full-scale war against the PKK is stunning." (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/21/erdogans-deadly-ambitions-turkey-elections-president/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/21/erdogans-deadly-ambition...) - “'Kurdish people are fighting for our rights, and Turkey is trying to finish us off,' says 53-year-old Ramazon Sakci as he stands in the garden of his home, which is riddled with bullet holes.” (http://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-war-against-its-own-kurdish-population/ http://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-...)

0xFFC 11y ago
You don't have clue what you are talking about.Read and listen to serious scholors instead of wasting people times in HN.
- calibraxis 11y ago
  Irony: I recall your recent post telling everyone to read Chomsky. He recommends supporting and de-listing PKK too! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbkqk5WLbLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbkqk5WLbLs)
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  - 0xFFC 11y ago
    It is fascinating you didn't watch your link at all. The big irony is here , how much people can be stupid and naive. My claim wasn't against Chomsky , It is quite opposite , Chomsky is completely right, But you don't know what you are talking about, Chomsky does not support PKK as he multiple times stated PKK have done seriously bad things. but at the other hand Turkish government have done so many bad things too, this is your shallow understanding about politics, which you think in every case there should be Good vs Evil. That is not the case at all . please come to the real world. you don't have clue what you are engaging to. Most of the time (almost 99% time) it is Evil vs Evil and only people got hurt is simple ordinary people. There is a narrow line between "Erdogan is dictator (which is absolutely correct and turkey law is ridiculously weak in human rights) and PKK is good" and "Erdogan is dictator and PKK does use this opportunity to improve its position, and PKK does not give fuck about Kurds" (which is Noam Chomsky position in this video too, look at how he condemn PKK at to ordinary people, but he dos not attack PKK because he knows establishment media in west will make great deal of it to prove their point which is Chomsky fighting against it). Sadly people like you are incapable of understanding these tactics used by politicians. if you want to check real protector of Kurd's people, look at HDP (if you do know turkey at all) and don't waste people time.PKK is not popular in east turkey, I have so many friends lives in northern Iraq north-west of iran and east of turkey and most of them (all of them Kurds which do want their rights) don't give fuck about PKK. At the other hand look at how HDP protects and fights for Kurds in right way. look at this part. it completely proves my point! https://youtu.be/Vbkqk5WLbLs?t=453 https://youtu.be/Vbkqk5WLbLs?t=453 How much people like you can be naive.
    - calibraxis 11y ago
      Nice that you skipped past where Chomsky explicitly recommends we "support" PKK (and incidentally is for delisting): Chomsky: They’re killing Yazidis. So what do you do? You support the people who are saving the Yazidis. Who happen to be on the US terrorist list. Hasan: The PKK. Chomsky: Yes. They are the ones who are primarily responsible for saving the Yazidis. Hasan: If the Americans say, "We will drop bombs, and they have been working with various Kurdish groups." Do you support that? I’m just wondering. You, as a critic, do you support that? Chomsky: Support working with the Kurds? Yeah. [...] Chomsky: To the extent that they are supporting the Kurds in Rojava, as they call it, so the Kurdish area of Syria, have defended their territory, seem to be developing, as well as you can under these conditions, a fairly decent society, very different from anything else in Syria, they certainly merit support.
dang 11y ago
> Rather than mislead everyone That's a form of personal attack which is inevitably provocative of a much worse thread. Please edit such rudeness out of your posts here. Your question would have been fine, and less self-undermining, had you done so.
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- calibraxis 11y ago
  When faced with abusers [1], it may be mentally healthiest to briefly indulge in slightly-unpleasant words like: "Rather than mislead everyone..." Why? Abuse stays with people during the day, and it is better to ever-so-slightly reflect it back on the abuser, than for it to come out on your employees (or friends, children, dog...) [1] "You have no clue what are you talking about", "how much people can be stupid and naive", etc.
  - dang 11y ago
    That degree of finesse could justify anything on HN. Please just be civil.

0xFFC 11y ago

You don't have clue what you are talking about.Read and listen to serious scholors instead of wasting people times in HN.

calibraxis 11y ago
Irony: I recall your recent post telling everyone to read Chomsky. He recommends supporting and de-listing PKK too! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbkqk5WLbLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbkqk5WLbLs)
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- 0xFFC 11y ago
  It is fascinating you didn't watch your link at all. The big irony is here , how much people can be stupid and naive. My claim wasn't against Chomsky , It is quite opposite , Chomsky is completely right, But you don't know what you are talking about, Chomsky does not support PKK as he multiple times stated PKK have done seriously bad things. but at the other hand Turkish government have done so many bad things too, this is your shallow understanding about politics, which you think in every case there should be Good vs Evil. That is not the case at all . please come to the real world. you don't have clue what you are engaging to. Most of the time (almost 99% time) it is Evil vs Evil and only people got hurt is simple ordinary people. There is a narrow line between "Erdogan is dictator (which is absolutely correct and turkey law is ridiculously weak in human rights) and PKK is good" and "Erdogan is dictator and PKK does use this opportunity to improve its position, and PKK does not give fuck about Kurds" (which is Noam Chomsky position in this video too, look at how he condemn PKK at to ordinary people, but he dos not attack PKK because he knows establishment media in west will make great deal of it to prove their point which is Chomsky fighting against it). Sadly people like you are incapable of understanding these tactics used by politicians. if you want to check real protector of Kurd's people, look at HDP (if you do know turkey at all) and don't waste people time.PKK is not popular in east turkey, I have so many friends lives in northern Iraq north-west of iran and east of turkey and most of them (all of them Kurds which do want their rights) don't give fuck about PKK. At the other hand look at how HDP protects and fights for Kurds in right way. look at this part. it completely proves my point! https://youtu.be/Vbkqk5WLbLs?t=453 https://youtu.be/Vbkqk5WLbLs?t=453 How much people like you can be naive.
  - calibraxis 11y ago
    Nice that you skipped past where Chomsky explicitly recommends we "support" PKK (and incidentally is for delisting): Chomsky: They’re killing Yazidis. So what do you do? You support the people who are saving the Yazidis. Who happen to be on the US terrorist list. Hasan: The PKK. Chomsky: Yes. They are the ones who are primarily responsible for saving the Yazidis. Hasan: If the Americans say, "We will drop bombs, and they have been working with various Kurdish groups." Do you support that? I’m just wondering. You, as a critic, do you support that? Chomsky: Support working with the Kurds? Yeah. [...] Chomsky: To the extent that they are supporting the Kurds in Rojava, as they call it, so the Kurdish area of Syria, have defended their territory, seem to be developing, as well as you can under these conditions, a fairly decent society, very different from anything else in Syria, they certainly merit support.

dang 11y ago

> Rather than mislead everyone That's a form of personal attack which is inevitably provocative of a much worse thread. Please edit such rudeness out of your posts here. Your question would have been fine, and less self-undermining, had you done so.

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calibraxis 11y ago
When faced with abusers [1], it may be mentally healthiest to briefly indulge in slightly-unpleasant words like: "Rather than mislead everyone..." Why? Abuse stays with people during the day, and it is better to ever-so-slightly reflect it back on the abuser, than for it to come out on your employees (or friends, children, dog...) [1] "You have no clue what are you talking about", "how much people can be stupid and naive", etc.
- dang 11y ago
  That degree of finesse could justify anything on HN. Please just be civil.