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If EU were decent, they'd delist Erdogan's enemy the PKK from the terrorist list. The PKK could teach the EU how to improve European society: (http://edition.cn

If EU were decent, they'd delist Erdogan's enemy the PKK from the terrorist list. The PKK could teach the EU how to improve European society: (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/30/opinions/rojava-kurds-syria-democracy/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/30/opinions/rojava-kurds-syri...) Not to mention the PKK would obviously help end ISIS.

0xFFC 11y ago
This is pure nonsense. Are you kidding me ? do you have any idea what you are talking about ? Even Iraqi Kurds trying to ban PKK because they know what's going on in that organization. Even Kurds in turkey are not happy with PKK. They want a reform , but most of them wants stay in turkey, while the "being Turkish citizen definition changed".Look at how popular HDP is in Kurdish areas in Turkey. You have no clue what are you talking about. for further reference , please read/listen to Henri Barkey from Woodrow Wilson which is well respected political scientist.
- calibraxis 11y ago
  Rather than mislead everyone, why not quote what exactly you disagree with, and offer evidence? - "How could Isis be eliminated? In the region, everyone knows. All it would really take would be to unleash the largely Kurdish forces of the YPG (Democratic Union party) in Syria, and PKK (Kurdistan Workers’ party) guerillas in Iraq and Turkey. These are, currently, the main forces actually fighting Isis on the ground. They have proved extraordinarily militarily effective and oppose every aspect of Isis’s reactionary ideology." (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-...) - Erdogan went apeshit after HDP deprived him his parliament majority: "The cynicism behind Erdogan’s calculation to launch a full-scale war against the PKK is stunning." (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/21/erdogans-deadly-ambitions-turkey-elections-president/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/21/erdogans-deadly-ambition...) - “'Kurdish people are fighting for our rights, and Turkey is trying to finish us off,' says 53-year-old Ramazon Sakci as he stands in the garden of his home, which is riddled with bullet holes.” (http://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-war-against-its-own-kurdish-population/ http://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-...)
  - 0xFFC 11y ago
    You don't have clue what you are talking about.Read and listen to serious scholors instead of wasting people times in HN.
    - calibraxis 11y ago
      Irony: I recall your recent post telling everyone to read Chomsky. He recommends supporting and de-listing PKK too! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbkqk5WLbLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbkqk5WLbLs)
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      - 0xFFC 11y ago
        It is fascinating you didn't watch your link at all. The big irony is here , how much people can be stupid and naive. My claim wasn't against Chomsky , It is quite opposite , Chomsky is completely right, But you don't know what you are talking about, Chomsky does not support PKK as he multiple times stated PKK have done seriously bad things. but at the other hand Turkish government have done so many bad things too, this is your shallow understanding about politics, which you think in every case there should be Good vs Evil. That is not the case at all . please come to the real world. you don't have clue what you are engaging to. Most of the time (almost 99% time) it is Evil vs Evil and only people got hurt is simple ordinary people. There is a narrow line between "Erdogan is dictator (which is absolutely correct and turkey law is ridiculously weak in human rights) and PKK is good" and "Erdogan is dictator and PKK does use this opportunity to improve its position, and PKK does not give fuck about Kurds" (which is Noam Chomsky position in this video too, look at how he condemn PKK at to ordinary people, but he dos not attack PKK because he knows establishment media in west will make great deal of it to prove their point which is Chomsky fighting against it). Sadly people like you are incapable of understanding these tactics used by politicians. if you want to check real protector of Kurd's people, look at HDP (if you do know turkey at all) and don't waste people time.PKK is not popular in east turkey, I have so many friends lives in northern Iraq north-west of iran and east of turkey and most of them (all of them Kurds which do want their rights) don't give fuck about PKK. At the other hand look at how HDP protects and fights for Kurds in right way. look at this part. it completely proves my point! https://youtu.be/Vbkqk5WLbLs?t=453 https://youtu.be/Vbkqk5WLbLs?t=453 How much people like you can be naive.
- dang 11y ago
  This comment, and others that you've posted (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11399333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11399333) break the HN guidelines badly by calling names and being personally rude. We ban accounts that do those things, so please don't do them. In particular, please edit phrases like the following out of your posts to HN: This is pure nonsense. Are you kidding me? do you have any idea what you are talking about? You have no clue what are you talking about. wasting people times in HN Notice how much more substantive your current comment becomes if you take out all these rude bits? That's what we're going for here. Hard politics isn't a great fit for HN to begin with, but if you're going to contribute to such discussions as inevitably arise, it's important to follow these rules—particularly when others are being wrong and provocative. (None of this is a comment on your politics, only on how you're presenting them. The same applies to all HN users.)
  - 0xFFC 11y ago
    Thanks for notifying, but I don't have editing option on those comment. I would be glad to edit them but I don't have option to do (I don't know why).
    - tomhoward 11y ago
      Editing of a comment is only possible for 2 hours after posting. This is to prevent people from trying to "rewrite history" at any time in the future. But in a case like this, dang may be happy to let you edit or delete the comment. You should email hn@ycombinator.com to request this.

0xFFC 11y ago

This is pure nonsense. Are you kidding me ? do you have any idea what you are talking about ? Even Iraqi Kurds trying to ban PKK because they know what's going on in that organization. Even Kurds in turkey are not happy with PKK. They want a reform , but most of them wants stay in turkey, while the "being Turkish citizen definition changed".Look at how popular HDP is in Kurdish areas in Turkey. You have no clue what are you talking about. for further reference , please read/listen to Henri Barkey from Woodrow Wilson which is well respected political scientist.

calibraxis 11y ago
Rather than mislead everyone, why not quote what exactly you disagree with, and offer evidence? - "How could Isis be eliminated? In the region, everyone knows. All it would really take would be to unleash the largely Kurdish forces of the YPG (Democratic Union party) in Syria, and PKK (Kurdistan Workers’ party) guerillas in Iraq and Turkey. These are, currently, the main forces actually fighting Isis on the ground. They have proved extraordinarily militarily effective and oppose every aspect of Isis’s reactionary ideology." (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-...) - Erdogan went apeshit after HDP deprived him his parliament majority: "The cynicism behind Erdogan’s calculation to launch a full-scale war against the PKK is stunning." (http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/21/erdogans-deadly-ambitions-turkey-elections-president/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/21/erdogans-deadly-ambition...) - “'Kurdish people are fighting for our rights, and Turkey is trying to finish us off,' says 53-year-old Ramazon Sakci as he stands in the garden of his home, which is riddled with bullet holes.” (http://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-war-against-its-own-kurdish-population/ http://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-...)
- 0xFFC 11y ago
  You don't have clue what you are talking about.Read and listen to serious scholors instead of wasting people times in HN.
  - calibraxis 11y ago
    Irony: I recall your recent post telling everyone to read Chomsky. He recommends supporting and de-listing PKK too! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbkqk5WLbLs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbkqk5WLbLs)
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    - 0xFFC 11y ago
      It is fascinating you didn't watch your link at all. The big irony is here , how much people can be stupid and naive. My claim wasn't against Chomsky , It is quite opposite , Chomsky is completely right, But you don't know what you are talking about, Chomsky does not support PKK as he multiple times stated PKK have done seriously bad things. but at the other hand Turkish government have done so many bad things too, this is your shallow understanding about politics, which you think in every case there should be Good vs Evil. That is not the case at all . please come to the real world. you don't have clue what you are engaging to. Most of the time (almost 99% time) it is Evil vs Evil and only people got hurt is simple ordinary people. There is a narrow line between "Erdogan is dictator (which is absolutely correct and turkey law is ridiculously weak in human rights) and PKK is good" and "Erdogan is dictator and PKK does use this opportunity to improve its position, and PKK does not give fuck about Kurds" (which is Noam Chomsky position in this video too, look at how he condemn PKK at to ordinary people, but he dos not attack PKK because he knows establishment media in west will make great deal of it to prove their point which is Chomsky fighting against it). Sadly people like you are incapable of understanding these tactics used by politicians. if you want to check real protector of Kurd's people, look at HDP (if you do know turkey at all) and don't waste people time.PKK is not popular in east turkey, I have so many friends lives in northern Iraq north-west of iran and east of turkey and most of them (all of them Kurds which do want their rights) don't give fuck about PKK. At the other hand look at how HDP protects and fights for Kurds in right way. look at this part. it completely proves my point! https://youtu.be/Vbkqk5WLbLs?t=453 https://youtu.be/Vbkqk5WLbLs?t=453 How much people like you can be naive.
dang 11y ago
This comment, and others that you've posted (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11399333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11399333) break the HN guidelines badly by calling names and being personally rude. We ban accounts that do those things, so please don't do them. In particular, please edit phrases like the following out of your posts to HN: This is pure nonsense. Are you kidding me? do you have any idea what you are talking about? You have no clue what are you talking about. wasting people times in HN Notice how much more substantive your current comment becomes if you take out all these rude bits? That's what we're going for here. Hard politics isn't a great fit for HN to begin with, but if you're going to contribute to such discussions as inevitably arise, it's important to follow these rules—particularly when others are being wrong and provocative. (None of this is a comment on your politics, only on how you're presenting them. The same applies to all HN users.)
- 0xFFC 11y ago
  Thanks for notifying, but I don't have editing option on those comment. I would be glad to edit them but I don't have option to do (I don't know why).
  - tomhoward 11y ago
    Editing of a comment is only possible for 2 hours after posting. This is to prevent people from trying to "rewrite history" at any time in the future. But in a case like this, dang may be happy to let you edit or delete the comment. You should email hn@ycombinator.com to request this.