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Only that all big Software or hardware companies do this... Apple keeps the doors closed to anything not in their full control, nvidia was pushing for open stan

by kayoone 11y ago

Only that all big Software or hardware companies do this... Apple keeps the doors closed to anything not in their full control, nvidia was pushing for open standards when they were the underdogs and now they have a lot of proprietary stuff, Google with Gtalk/Jabber etc etc. It's pretty ignorant to only paint MS that way imo. I also believe MS is a very different company today with a different strategy because they lost mobile. Maybe that changes again in the future but i worry a lot more about the direction apple is going.

osweiller 11y ago
This thread and discussion is about Microsoft. Comments like yours -- these "cry for Microsoft...what about others!" are misdirected and totally out of context. But if we really need to be juvenile and discuss everything to discuss anything, Apple is a greedy, voracious company. They are never presented otherwise, and cynicism meets all of their activities. But it's open and honest, and Apple doesn't try to be who they aren't, and users don't treat their actions as selfless gifts to the world. We all expect almost everything Google does to somehow pull in more ad data, to pull people to the fold, etc. It's only with Microsoft where this naive "oooh, whole new company. So good" nonsense appears, and it grows incredibly tiring and seems more like a bad astroturfing campaign.
- kayoone 11y ago
  I am a regular on HN and have a different impression, in that many people are much more critical towards MS while Apple/Google are generally the good guys. Apple is the savior of privacy while Google are the engineering wunderkinder. Even in the Xbox vs PS4 discussions MS is usually the bad privacy invading company in bed with NSA while Sony is the gamers best friend. To me it seems MS can do whatever they want, change as much as they want, they will never be "cool" while at the same time people gloss over Apples anti-competetive practices or Googles data collection obsession.
TheRealDunkirk 11y ago
Stellar work, missing and proving the parent's point. Simply stellar.

by kayoone 11y ago

osweiller 11y ago

This thread and discussion is about Microsoft. Comments like yours -- these "cry for Microsoft...what about others!" are misdirected and totally out of context. But if we really need to be juvenile and discuss everything to discuss anything, Apple is a greedy, voracious company. They are never presented otherwise, and cynicism meets all of their activities. But it's open and honest, and Apple doesn't try to be who they aren't, and users don't treat their actions as selfless gifts to the world. We all expect almost everything Google does to somehow pull in more ad data, to pull people to the fold, etc. It's only with Microsoft where this naive "oooh, whole new company. So good" nonsense appears, and it grows incredibly tiring and seems more like a bad astroturfing campaign.

kayoone 11y ago
I am a regular on HN and have a different impression, in that many people are much more critical towards MS while Apple/Google are generally the good guys. Apple is the savior of privacy while Google are the engineering wunderkinder. Even in the Xbox vs PS4 discussions MS is usually the bad privacy invading company in bed with NSA while Sony is the gamers best friend. To me it seems MS can do whatever they want, change as much as they want, they will never be "cool" while at the same time people gloss over Apples anti-competetive practices or Googles data collection obsession.

TheRealDunkirk 11y ago

Stellar work, missing and proving the parent's point. Simply stellar.