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"Disappearing" people isn't really the style of the US government. That's common in South America and was regularly used in the old USSR. The US prefers to dis
by pdkl95 11y ago
"Disappearing" people isn't really the style of the US government. That's common in South America and was regularly used in the old USSR.
The US prefers to discredit people in the media as "terrorists" (or "gang members", etc) while throwing an unwinnable pile of charges at them to force a confession (aka "plea bargain"). This have the de facto result of keeping someone either in jail for a while or spending 100% of their time and money on defense.
Regardless of how it turns out, draconian probation requirements, pre-employment questions in the style of "have you been charged with a felony" and the arrest and/or criminal record are very effective at finishing the job of "disappearing" someone with unemployment and the social isolation that happens when someone's reputation is trashed. In many states, you can add long-term or permanent disenfranchisement.
The tactics everyone should be paying attention are closer to COINTELPRO, where key people are removed from potential positions of leadership or organization before they accumulate larger amounts of power. With a mass surveillance network and storage that lets you search through someone's past, parallel construction to remove someone on any kind of trumped up charge is easy.
- snowwrestler 11y ago> The US prefers to discredit people in the media as "terrorists" (or "gang members", etc) while throwing an unwinnable pile of charges at them to force a confession (aka "plea bargain"). This have the de facto result of keeping someone either in jail for a while or spending 100% of their time and money on defense. Can you share an example of this happening to someone who works at a technology device manufacturer? Someone who was in a position to be aware of an NSL that they could spill the beans on?
- pdkl95 11y ago> technology device manufacturer That isn't the only industry that can be subject to a NSL. We are lucky to have any of the information at all; if you limit your search to very-specific categories, you risk finding areas that have less public data. I would start here: https://www.aclu.org/cases/doe-v-holder https://www.aclu.org/cases/doe-v-holder
- magicalist 11y ago> I would start here: https://www.aclu.org/cases/doe-v-holder https://www.aclu.org/cases/doe-v-holder That case has nothing to do with discrediting someone as a terrorist or gang member, charging them with any crime, forcing a confession out of them, and really anything to do with criminal charges or jail time at all.
- rstephenson2 11y agoNot quite a device manufacturer, but a technology company: Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio was convicted of insider trading after allegedly refusing to help the NSA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio It may be a coincidence that he happened to both refuse to help the NSA as well as commit a crime, but "insider trading" as an officer of a company is pretty hazy, especially if you have the NSA informing you that they're going to tank your company's stock if you don't comply.
- snowwrestler 11y agoThanks, that's good one to think about. Not a "disappearance" per se, but maybe an example (at least an alleged example) of an indirect legal consequence for fighting the NSA. > rstephenson2 11 hours ago | parent Wait... Randall Stephenson, is that you? http://www.att.com/gen/investor-relations?pid=7824 http://www.att.com/gen/investor-relations?pid=7824