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Anyone who downvotes replies like this is displaying ignorance of Microsoft's pattern of behavior through their entire history. Sure, maybe it's different this

by jblow 11y ago

Anyone who downvotes replies like this is displaying ignorance of Microsoft's pattern of behavior through their entire history. Sure, maybe it's different this time ... But usually it isn't.

jsmeaton 11y ago
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx http://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx Seriously, when was the last time Microsoft employed EEE? People have been saying "maybe it's different this time.." for years. I'm getting sick of seeing the "EEE" meme every time Microsoft does something.
- simoncion 11y ago
  It seems like this reply would be more appropriate when attached to BoysenberryPi's comment. 1) There's much more to Microsoft's historical bad behavior than EEE. 2) Noone in this sub-thread invoked EEE. :)
  - jsmeaton 11y ago
    It may have been more appropriate to the thread above or the sibling, but I was one who downvoted the original so I wanted to respond to the calling out. Whether or not EEE was specifically invoked is sort of irrelevant, the implications (trojan horse of Troy) were clear to me. There have been 3 submissions today about Microsoft and the same EEE trope has been posted multiple times to each one. it adds nothing but noise to the conversation when Microsofts behaviour, especially in the last 3-4 years, has not been terrible.
    - simoncion 11y ago
      > Whether or not EEE was specifically invoked is sort of irrelevant... By responding to a point that hasn't even been raised, you add noise to the conversation. It would have been substantially more useful (and injected signal into the discussion) to address the points that either jblow or ausjke raised.
  - deleted 11y ago
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- addicted 11y ago
  Thanks for the article. My gradual transition to MS from Mac became a lot easier when I realized that MS was indicted for things that Apple does routinely in both their OSes these days. MS's very success worked against them.
- pjc50 11y ago
  A random example from google: anti-open-document lobbying. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2330040/microsoft-cries-out-to-uk-government-against-open-source http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2330040/microsoft-c...
  - Delmania 11y ago
    It seriously helps when citing articles like this you actually take the time to read the proposal and the response. The British gov't was proposing to move to only ODF to the exclusion of OOXML. Here's a quote from the blog post: "To be very clear, we are not calling for the government to drop its proposal to use ODF. Nor are we calling for it to use only Open XML. What we are saying is that the government include BOTH Open XML and ODF." I'm not sure how that's considered "anti-open-document lobbying". Especially since every version of Office from 2007 has had support for ODF.
  - thomasz 11y ago
    That's not EEE, that's Microsoft trying to convince an important customer to keep buying their office suite. What a crime!
Tomte 11y ago
I'm habitually downvoting any comment that includes the string "M$". There is no clearer sign of ill will towards other participants (not Microsoft!) and no readiness to engage in a civil, fact-based discussion.
- deaddodo 11y ago
  Been doing the same for about a decade. The whole M$/Micro$oft thing is fucking childish. And I'm a FreeBSD user...so it's not like I'm against FOSS.
Delmania 11y ago
> Anyone who downvotes replies like this is displaying ignorance of Microsoft's pattern of behavior through their entire history. And you, like many people are overplaying the power Microsoft has in order to play your own game of FUD. They has a lot less power than you realize. How can they even possible extinguish Linux? Even if they somehow make gov't all over the world use Windows server, that won't stop individuals and organizations from using Apache and nginx. Their own compiler for .NET is Apache 2.0 License. What are they going to do? Exercise some copyright law?

by jblow 11y ago

Anyone who downvotes replies like this is displaying ignorance of Microsoft's pattern of behavior through their entire history. Sure, maybe it's different this time ... But usually it isn't.

jsmeaton 11y ago

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx http://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx Seriously, when was the last time Microsoft employed EEE? People have been saying "maybe it's different this time.." for years. I'm getting sick of seeing the "EEE" meme every time Microsoft does something.

simoncion 11y ago
It seems like this reply would be more appropriate when attached to BoysenberryPi's comment. 1) There's much more to Microsoft's historical bad behavior than EEE. 2) Noone in this sub-thread invoked EEE. :)
- jsmeaton 11y ago
  It may have been more appropriate to the thread above or the sibling, but I was one who downvoted the original so I wanted to respond to the calling out. Whether or not EEE was specifically invoked is sort of irrelevant, the implications (trojan horse of Troy) were clear to me. There have been 3 submissions today about Microsoft and the same EEE trope has been posted multiple times to each one. it adds nothing but noise to the conversation when Microsofts behaviour, especially in the last 3-4 years, has not been terrible.
  - simoncion 11y ago
    > Whether or not EEE was specifically invoked is sort of irrelevant... By responding to a point that hasn't even been raised, you add noise to the conversation. It would have been substantially more useful (and injected signal into the discussion) to address the points that either jblow or ausjke raised.
- deleted 11y ago
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addicted 11y ago
Thanks for the article. My gradual transition to MS from Mac became a lot easier when I realized that MS was indicted for things that Apple does routinely in both their OSes these days. MS's very success worked against them.
pjc50 11y ago
A random example from google: anti-open-document lobbying. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2330040/microsoft-cries-out-to-uk-government-against-open-source http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2330040/microsoft-c...
- Delmania 11y ago
  It seriously helps when citing articles like this you actually take the time to read the proposal and the response. The British gov't was proposing to move to only ODF to the exclusion of OOXML. Here's a quote from the blog post: "To be very clear, we are not calling for the government to drop its proposal to use ODF. Nor are we calling for it to use only Open XML. What we are saying is that the government include BOTH Open XML and ODF." I'm not sure how that's considered "anti-open-document lobbying". Especially since every version of Office from 2007 has had support for ODF.
- thomasz 11y ago
  That's not EEE, that's Microsoft trying to convince an important customer to keep buying their office suite. What a crime!

Tomte 11y ago

I'm habitually downvoting any comment that includes the string "M$". There is no clearer sign of ill will towards other participants (not Microsoft!) and no readiness to engage in a civil, fact-based discussion.

deaddodo 11y ago
Been doing the same for about a decade. The whole M$/Micro$oft thing is fucking childish. And I'm a FreeBSD user...so it's not like I'm against FOSS.

Delmania 11y ago

> Anyone who downvotes replies like this is displaying ignorance of Microsoft's pattern of behavior through their entire history. And you, like many people are overplaying the power Microsoft has in order to play your own game of FUD. They has a lot less power than you realize. How can they even possible extinguish Linux? Even if they somehow make gov't all over the world use Windows server, that won't stop individuals and organizations from using Apache and nginx. Their own compiler for .NET is Apache 2.0 License. What are they going to do? Exercise some copyright law?