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Could you name a single company that doesn't follow where the market is and try to monopolises it later? Plus, Windows is still the leader in the desktop and l

by Mafana0 11y ago

Could you name a single company that doesn't follow where the market is and try to monopolises it later? Plus, Windows is still the leader in the desktop and laptop market until today. They are facing some tough competition but "not leader in given market" is not true.

ssalazar 11y ago
Uh, any company that sells niche or upmarket offerings of commodity products, for one. I.e. Apple, Tesla, a bunch of watch manufacturers. > Plus, Windows is still the leader in the desktop and laptop market until today. They are facing some tough competition but "not leader in given market" is not true. Their position in the server world is not nearly so secure, which is quite possibly what this move is meant to address.
- Mafana0 11y ago
  > Uh, any company that sells niche or upmarket offerings of commodity products, for one. I.e. Apple Without thinking much I can come up with a list of instances where Apple did exactly follow where they think the market is. Example include making phones with bigger screens [0], using a stylus with tablets [1], smart watches, small screen tablets [2], the the list goes on and on. [0]: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy... [1]: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-or-a-task-manager-they-blew-it/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-... [2]: http://fortune.com/2012/04/17/what-steve-jobs-said-about-an-ipad-mini/ http://fortune.com/2012/04/17/what-steve-jobs-said-about-an-... > Their position in the server world is not nearly so secure, which is quite possibly what this move is meant to address. Microsoft never had the lead in server operating systems. So they're not doing this just because they are no longer the leader. This is a proof that Microsoft is just changing how they handle competition and FOSS under Nadella.
- mynameisvlad 11y ago
  Jumping on what Mafana said, Tesla is known for being one of the most closed off car systems on the planet. There were several HN posts over the last month or two talking about this, but they will require a full inspection to re-activate a car once it's been sold or written off, and it's almost impossible to get parts from them outside of service centers. You chose literally two of the worst examples out there to try and prove your point.
  - ssalazar 11y ago
    My point is that these companies have no evident interest in establishing a monopoly in whatever market they've followed. That they maintain a closed system doesn't contradict that.
- lotso 11y ago
  >Uh, any company that sells niche or upmarket offerings of commodity products, for one. I.e. Apple, Tesla, a bunch of watch manufacturers. SMS to iMessage?
qb45 11y ago
> Could you name a single company that doesn't follow where the market is and try to monopolises it later? I think your argument actually supports parent's position, so this "plus" in the next sentence seems out of place :)
- Mafana0 11y ago
  What I meant to say is that all companies try to follow where the market is. Microsoft isn't doing that just because they are losing their leadership in the market (which the OP claimed).

by Mafana0 11y ago

ssalazar 11y ago

Uh, any company that sells niche or upmarket offerings of commodity products, for one. I.e. Apple, Tesla, a bunch of watch manufacturers. > Plus, Windows is still the leader in the desktop and laptop market until today. They are facing some tough competition but "not leader in given market" is not true. Their position in the server world is not nearly so secure, which is quite possibly what this move is meant to address.

Mafana0 11y ago
> Uh, any company that sells niche or upmarket offerings of commodity products, for one. I.e. Apple Without thinking much I can come up with a list of instances where Apple did exactly follow where they think the market is. Example include making phones with bigger screens [0], using a stylus with tablets [1], smart watches, small screen tablets [2], the the list goes on and on. [0]: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy... [1]: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-or-a-task-manager-they-blew-it/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/jobs-if-you-see-a-stylus-... [2]: http://fortune.com/2012/04/17/what-steve-jobs-said-about-an-ipad-mini/ http://fortune.com/2012/04/17/what-steve-jobs-said-about-an-... > Their position in the server world is not nearly so secure, which is quite possibly what this move is meant to address. Microsoft never had the lead in server operating systems. So they're not doing this just because they are no longer the leader. This is a proof that Microsoft is just changing how they handle competition and FOSS under Nadella.
mynameisvlad 11y ago
Jumping on what Mafana said, Tesla is known for being one of the most closed off car systems on the planet. There were several HN posts over the last month or two talking about this, but they will require a full inspection to re-activate a car once it's been sold or written off, and it's almost impossible to get parts from them outside of service centers. You chose literally two of the worst examples out there to try and prove your point.
- ssalazar 11y ago
  My point is that these companies have no evident interest in establishing a monopoly in whatever market they've followed. That they maintain a closed system doesn't contradict that.
lotso 11y ago
>Uh, any company that sells niche or upmarket offerings of commodity products, for one. I.e. Apple, Tesla, a bunch of watch manufacturers. SMS to iMessage?

qb45 11y ago

> Could you name a single company that doesn't follow where the market is and try to monopolises it later? I think your argument actually supports parent's position, so this "plus" in the next sentence seems out of place :)

Mafana0 11y ago
What I meant to say is that all companies try to follow where the market is. Microsoft isn't doing that just because they are losing their leadership in the market (which the OP claimed).