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While I prefer to develop today on OS X...your post is nothing but FUD. > What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? Windows prolly has more GUI appl

by pookeh 11y ago

While I prefer to develop today on OS X...your post is nothing but FUD. > What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined. That's not necessarily a good thing but it's not bad either. It just means there is a Win substitute for everything. > What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? Same answer as above. > What about all those billions and billions of Windows malware, viruses, adware etc. I download a lot of crap on my home Win computer and haven't had a virus once in the past 6 or 7 years. There are likely more Android viruses active now than Windows. > What about all the spying and restrictions that Microsoft has integrated into the Windows? If you don't give permission the action is not taken. Granted I am currently getting spammed to update my home computer from win 7 to 10 but it hasn't force installed on me. Likewise for automatic updates. > What about the fact that OS X and Linux have always been at least decent from developers point of view but Windows has always had problems and then things like Vista and Win8 happen. Which is what this new initiative is trying to fix. Don't get me wrong. I love my osx for dev and my *nix boxes for servers. But if I can get one machine/OS for desktop development of nix and windows without having to run silly emulators or switch between VMs then I'm sold.

riotdash 11y ago
"Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined." Oh...right all those cool FREE_VIDEO_CONVERTER_YOUTUBE_MP4_DOWNLOAD_FAST_FREE_GREEN_CARD.EXE applications...right.... Now days all the developer/engineer GUI apps are made OS X first, Linux second and maybe Windows. "I download a lot of crap on my home Win computer and haven't had a virus once in the past 6 or 7 years. There are likely more Android viruses active now than Windows." You being extremely lucky doesn't change statistics. "If you don't give permission the action is not taken. Granted I am currently getting spammed to update my home computer from win 7 to 10 but it hasn't force installed on me. Likewise for automatic updates." You only answered to the first point and still why would anyone change to machine where you either have to do crazy hackarounds and avoid critical updates in the future or become a slave? "Which is what this new initiative is trying to fix." Bringing a single tool to current version of Windows has nothing to do with the fact that they can still go down the Windows 8 road in the next version.
- schwap 11y ago
  > You being extremely lucky doesn't change statistics. There's nothing lucky about being prudent.
- leo_mck 11y ago
  I absolutely love the fact that windows download and install critical updates automatically for me. I would feel like a slave if I had to do it manually.
  - michaelmrose 11y ago
    You kind of are a slave aren't you? After all you can only auto update microsoft and store apps. Other apps will either handle updates themselves probably with an annoying UAC prompt and possibly at inconvenient times when you actually want to use the apps. Some have processes that constantly sit in the background sucking up your resources to pop up annoying prompts to update application foo during which you must watch for them changing your browser preferences and installing adware. Others you will simply have to go to their website and download an exe or msi. Meanwhile you are missing the fact that people don't want to avoid automatic updates to fix security holes. They want to avoid updating to the next undesirable update foisted on the users before its ready and much to peoples annoyance. Example the windows 8 UI change. Unbelievably staying on an older still supported platform until you are ready to update is a feature you have to pay money for! Lest you misunderstand I'm not talking about clinging to windows xp till they claw it from your cold dead hands 3 years after end of life I'm talking about the future equivalent of staying with windows 7 and upgrading to windows 10 because 8 sucks.
    - kbenson 11y ago
      > Unbelievably staying on an older still supported platform until you are ready to update is a feature you have to pay money for! You are making it sound like they are forcing, or even automatically upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 8, or Windows 8 to Windows 10. They aren't. You have to specifically choose the 8->10 update, even if you are getting updates automatically installed. > I'm talking about the future equivalent of staying with windows 7 and upgrading to windows 10 because 8 sucks. Which you can do. I'm not sure what exactly your complaint is here. What am I missing? (Note: I found Windows 8 to be superior to Windows 7 in every way except the start menu. I find Windows 10 superior to Windows 8 in every way except for Privacy :/ )
justin66 11y ago
> Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined. Some perspective is needed here. Windows has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined and multiplied by some large number. A windows PC can run every Windows application made in the last twenty years, with some exceptions, and it's an infinitely larger market for commercial software.
peternicky 11y ago
Well said my friend! Upvote
cyphar 11y ago
> > What about all the spying and restrictions that Microsoft has integrated into the Windows? > If you don't give permission the action is not taken. Granted I am currently getting spammed to update my home computer from win 7 to 10 but it hasn't force installed on me. Likewise for automatic updates. Except for the actions that the operating system doesn't tell you about, and you can't be sure about becuase it's proprietary (Windows has at least 3 backdoors and spy features that we know of, and none of them ask for permission). And all of the DRM and related malicious functionality that stops you from doing things you'd obviously want to do with your computer.

by pookeh 11y ago

riotdash 11y ago

"Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined." Oh...right all those cool FREE_VIDEO_CONVERTER_YOUTUBE_MP4_DOWNLOAD_FAST_FREE_GREEN_CARD.EXE applications...right.... Now days all the developer/engineer GUI apps are made OS X first, Linux second and maybe Windows. "I download a lot of crap on my home Win computer and haven't had a virus once in the past 6 or 7 years. There are likely more Android viruses active now than Windows." You being extremely lucky doesn't change statistics. "If you don't give permission the action is not taken. Granted I am currently getting spammed to update my home computer from win 7 to 10 but it hasn't force installed on me. Likewise for automatic updates." You only answered to the first point and still why would anyone change to machine where you either have to do crazy hackarounds and avoid critical updates in the future or become a slave? "Which is what this new initiative is trying to fix." Bringing a single tool to current version of Windows has nothing to do with the fact that they can still go down the Windows 8 road in the next version.

schwap 11y ago
> You being extremely lucky doesn't change statistics. There's nothing lucky about being prudent.
leo_mck 11y ago
I absolutely love the fact that windows download and install critical updates automatically for me. I would feel like a slave if I had to do it manually.
- michaelmrose 11y ago
  You kind of are a slave aren't you? After all you can only auto update microsoft and store apps. Other apps will either handle updates themselves probably with an annoying UAC prompt and possibly at inconvenient times when you actually want to use the apps. Some have processes that constantly sit in the background sucking up your resources to pop up annoying prompts to update application foo during which you must watch for them changing your browser preferences and installing adware. Others you will simply have to go to their website and download an exe or msi. Meanwhile you are missing the fact that people don't want to avoid automatic updates to fix security holes. They want to avoid updating to the next undesirable update foisted on the users before its ready and much to peoples annoyance. Example the windows 8 UI change. Unbelievably staying on an older still supported platform until you are ready to update is a feature you have to pay money for! Lest you misunderstand I'm not talking about clinging to windows xp till they claw it from your cold dead hands 3 years after end of life I'm talking about the future equivalent of staying with windows 7 and upgrading to windows 10 because 8 sucks.
  - kbenson 11y ago
    > Unbelievably staying on an older still supported platform until you are ready to update is a feature you have to pay money for! You are making it sound like they are forcing, or even automatically upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 8, or Windows 8 to Windows 10. They aren't. You have to specifically choose the 8->10 update, even if you are getting updates automatically installed. > I'm talking about the future equivalent of staying with windows 7 and upgrading to windows 10 because 8 sucks. Which you can do. I'm not sure what exactly your complaint is here. What am I missing? (Note: I found Windows 8 to be superior to Windows 7 in every way except the start menu. I find Windows 10 superior to Windows 8 in every way except for Privacy :/ )

justin66 11y ago

> Windows prolly has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined. Some perspective is needed here. Windows has more GUI applications than both those OSes combined and multiplied by some large number. A windows PC can run every Windows application made in the last twenty years, with some exceptions, and it's an infinitely larger market for commercial software.

peternicky 11y ago

Well said my friend! Upvote

cyphar 11y ago

> > What about all the spying and restrictions that Microsoft has integrated into the Windows? > If you don't give permission the action is not taken. Granted I am currently getting spammed to update my home computer from win 7 to 10 but it hasn't force installed on me. Likewise for automatic updates. Except for the actions that the operating system doesn't tell you about, and you can't be sure about becuase it's proprietary (Windows has at least 3 backdoors and spy features that we know of, and none of them ask for permission). And all of the DRM and related malicious functionality that stops you from doing things you'd obviously want to do with your computer.