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My point is that you need a terminal program (like putty or iTerm2 on OS X for example) to get all the benefits.

by xaduha 11y ago

tlrobinson 11y ago
He says it mostly works in cmd.exe, and they're working on getting things like screen/tmux working too. If a fully-compatible terminal emulator doesn't exist yet (I have no idea) I bet there will be one within a year.
- quotemstr 11y ago
  conhost (the black box that typically runs cmd.exe) is a terribly shitty terminal emulator. My biggest gripe with Windows has been the lack of a decent pseudoconsome system that would allow an ecosystem of terminal emulators to developer, as one has for POSIX-ish systems.
  - ZenoArrow 11y ago
    What about ConEmu? Works well for me, I especially like the Quake-style dropdown terminal option... https://github.com/Maximus5/ConEmu https://github.com/Maximus5/ConEmu
    - quotemstr 11y ago
      ConEmu looks nice; it came out after I switched from Windows to Linux, so I've never tried it. I like the idea of hooking the console API functions; before I stopped using Windows, I was working independently on a similar API-hooking system that talked to the Cygwin pty layer instead of to a custom terminal. With a real pty, you'd be able to use any Windows console program with mintty, sshd, Emacs term-mode, or whatever else you wanted, transparently. I regret not having a chance to finish that work.
  - JdeBP 11y ago
    > My biggest gripe with Windows has been the lack of a decent pseudoconsome system that would allow an ecosystem of terminal emulators to developer, as one has for POSIX-ish systems. This has been up since the turn of the century: * http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/capture-console-win32.html http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/ca... The demonstrators in the Microsoft video do warn that they will be avoiding some of the holes of the system in their demonstration. One is very briefly visible at 08'13", before the demonstrator rapidly clears the screen (again), when they run apt-get to install git: E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - openpty (2: No such file or directory) The new Windows NT Linux subsystem apparently doesn't have pseudo-terminals. The old Windows NT POSIX subsystem (the Interix-derived SFU/SFUA one) has pseudo-terminals with both BSD and System 5 access semantics, in comparison. * https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb497016.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb497016.aspx * https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb463219.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb463219.aspx Moreover, a Windows console window that is the controlling TTY of a POSIX program in that subsystem has the POSIX cooked input mode with local echo, and generates escape sequences for extended keys.

My point is that you need a terminal program (like putty or iTerm2 on OS X for example) to get all the benefits.

by xaduha 11y ago

My point is that you need a terminal program (like putty or iTerm2 on OS X for example) to get all the benefits.

He says it mostly works in cmd.exe, and they're working on getting things like screen/tmux working too. If a fully-compatible terminal emulator doesn't exist yet (I have no idea) I bet there will be one within a year.

quotemstr 11y ago
conhost (the black box that typically runs cmd.exe) is a terribly shitty terminal emulator. My biggest gripe with Windows has been the lack of a decent pseudoconsome system that would allow an ecosystem of terminal emulators to developer, as one has for POSIX-ish systems.
- ZenoArrow 11y ago
  What about ConEmu? Works well for me, I especially like the Quake-style dropdown terminal option... https://github.com/Maximus5/ConEmu https://github.com/Maximus5/ConEmu
  - quotemstr 11y ago
    ConEmu looks nice; it came out after I switched from Windows to Linux, so I've never tried it. I like the idea of hooking the console API functions; before I stopped using Windows, I was working independently on a similar API-hooking system that talked to the Cygwin pty layer instead of to a custom terminal. With a real pty, you'd be able to use any Windows console program with mintty, sshd, Emacs term-mode, or whatever else you wanted, transparently. I regret not having a chance to finish that work.
- JdeBP 11y ago
  > My biggest gripe with Windows has been the lack of a decent pseudoconsome system that would allow an ecosystem of terminal emulators to developer, as one has for POSIX-ish systems. This has been up since the turn of the century: * http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/capture-console-win32.html http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/ca... The demonstrators in the Microsoft video do warn that they will be avoiding some of the holes of the system in their demonstration. One is very briefly visible at 08'13", before the demonstrator rapidly clears the screen (again), when they run apt-get to install git: E: Can not write log (Is /dev/pts mounted?) - openpty (2: No such file or directory) The new Windows NT Linux subsystem apparently doesn't have pseudo-terminals. The old Windows NT POSIX subsystem (the Interix-derived SFU/SFUA one) has pseudo-terminals with both BSD and System 5 access semantics, in comparison. * https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb497016.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb497016.aspx * https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb463219.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb463219.aspx Moreover, a Windows console window that is the controlling TTY of a POSIX program in that subsystem has the POSIX cooked input mode with local echo, and generates escape sequences for extended keys.