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Really...? What would you change about OSX? I just switched from Windows to a Mac and I can't see myself ever going back...

by dimgl 11y ago

untog 11y ago
Like I said, maybe it's my perception, but I've lost count of the number of times it has failed to connect to a Wi-Fi network, randomly crashed... it's been unable to connect to any links from http://t.co http://t.co for months, for goodness sake (this has recently been fixed). I think part of my objections are that OS X used to be absolutely rock solid, around the Snow Leopard era. An entire release dedicated just to tuning up the OS! Unheard of now - I will never install a new version until the x.1 patch is out, there are always huge bugs. I don't expect Windows to be rock solid, I just don't expect it to be any worse than OS X any more.
- dimgl 11y ago
  I haven't had any bugs at all on El Capitan.
Osiris 11y ago
I have far more issues with OS X than with Windows. I get kernel panics, waking from sleep crashes, weird issues with external monitors not being detected as connected, or worse, disconnected. Windows also offers a lot more customizations than OS X. However, there are things I like about OS X also, like spaces and multi-touch trackpad support. I use both on a daily basis.
- berberous 11y ago
  I don't disagree that quality has dropped a bit lately, but I don't think your experience with OS X is typical. I have not had a kernel panic in years. Maybe time you did a clean install.
  - Osiris 11y ago
    The panics I get are related to Thunderbolt, so I suspect it's an issue with the Thunderbolt kernel drivers. I run two external Apple Thunderbolt monitors and that's at the core of most of my issues.
    - TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
      I run two external Thunderbolt monitors through a couple of cheap adaptor boxes and have never had a problem. I suspect RAM issues. OS X isn't great if - say - Chrome eats all the memory. And if the RAM itself isn't rock solid, you will get crashes. A lot of issues went away when I installed 32GB.
    - SpaceCadetJones 11y ago
      This could very well be it. I was about to comment that I've been using OS X for about 10 years and I'm pretty sure I can count the number of kernel panics I've had on my fingers. Most of those happened a long time ago.
- balls187 11y ago
  > I get kernel panics, waking from sleep crashes, weird issues with external monitors not being detected as connected, or worse, disconnected. This is a real problem for me as well. Not enough to make me want to ditch my Mac, but it's a real PITB.
vardump 11y ago
Working SMB networking would be nice. Tired of mysterious issues. I can't remember a single time in past year when whole directory copy/move to SMB share succeeded. OS X just gives me these descriptive "error -51" or whatevers. (It's really mature (not!) of OSX to have that blue screen icon for SMB shares.) Stable USB stack would be nice as well. Ever since El Capitan, virtual machines I run off USB drive have been getting random I/O timeouts. OS X tends to need quite a bit more memory than Win10. Win10 is as usable on 2 GB RAM as OS X on 4 GB. OS X graphics driver is also pretty slow, some 30% slower than on Windows. OpenGL support is pretty bad on OS X. On Windows 10 side my biggest issues are unstable (or temporarily unavailable) RDP and bluetooth stereo audio stuttering. RDP color accuracy leaves also a lot to be desired.
- vetinari 11y ago
  Funny, that it's SMB that I hate on Windows. With OSX or Linux its no problem to access shares with different credentials, no matter whether Windows server in AD or standalone samba-based NAS, while it is a major pita in Windows.
  - vardump 11y ago
    Odd. I think my issues might have something to do with file sizes. Maybe there are some issues with files over 2 GB or 4 GB. I don't know. I've just resorted to using FTP (ugh!) and USB drives to get files out of my OS X machines.
    - vetinari 11y ago
      The network is OK? Are you connected over wifi? No packet loss? And even though it is 3x3 MIMO, copying 20GB vm images is not something you want to do over wifi, so in the end I've got the Thunderbolt Ethernet adapter. Works like a charm, shorted the transfer by more than 10x. SMB by itself never gave a problem (clean install of 11.0, then continuously updated to 11.4).
      - vardump 11y ago
haldean 11y ago
There's no Surface Pro equivalent for OSX (the iPad Pro not running a real OS is too bad), and Mac machines are crazy expensive for what's inside. At least, that's why I switched.

Really...? What would you change about OSX? I just switched from Windows to a Mac and I can't see myself ever going back...

by dimgl 11y ago

Really...? What would you change about OSX? I just switched from Windows to a Mac and I can't see myself ever going back...

untog 11y ago

Like I said, maybe it's my perception, but I've lost count of the number of times it has failed to connect to a Wi-Fi network, randomly crashed... it's been unable to connect to any links from http://t.co http://t.co for months, for goodness sake (this has recently been fixed). I think part of my objections are that OS X used to be absolutely rock solid, around the Snow Leopard era. An entire release dedicated just to tuning up the OS! Unheard of now - I will never install a new version until the x.1 patch is out, there are always huge bugs. I don't expect Windows to be rock solid, I just don't expect it to be any worse than OS X any more.

dimgl 11y ago
I haven't had any bugs at all on El Capitan.

Osiris 11y ago

I have far more issues with OS X than with Windows. I get kernel panics, waking from sleep crashes, weird issues with external monitors not being detected as connected, or worse, disconnected. Windows also offers a lot more customizations than OS X. However, there are things I like about OS X also, like spaces and multi-touch trackpad support. I use both on a daily basis.

berberous 11y ago
I don't disagree that quality has dropped a bit lately, but I don't think your experience with OS X is typical. I have not had a kernel panic in years. Maybe time you did a clean install.
- Osiris 11y ago
  The panics I get are related to Thunderbolt, so I suspect it's an issue with the Thunderbolt kernel drivers. I run two external Apple Thunderbolt monitors and that's at the core of most of my issues.
  - TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
    I run two external Thunderbolt monitors through a couple of cheap adaptor boxes and have never had a problem. I suspect RAM issues. OS X isn't great if - say - Chrome eats all the memory. And if the RAM itself isn't rock solid, you will get crashes. A lot of issues went away when I installed 32GB.
  - SpaceCadetJones 11y ago
    This could very well be it. I was about to comment that I've been using OS X for about 10 years and I'm pretty sure I can count the number of kernel panics I've had on my fingers. Most of those happened a long time ago.
balls187 11y ago
> I get kernel panics, waking from sleep crashes, weird issues with external monitors not being detected as connected, or worse, disconnected. This is a real problem for me as well. Not enough to make me want to ditch my Mac, but it's a real PITB.

vardump 11y ago

Working SMB networking would be nice. Tired of mysterious issues. I can't remember a single time in past year when whole directory copy/move to SMB share succeeded. OS X just gives me these descriptive "error -51" or whatevers. (It's really mature (not!) of OSX to have that blue screen icon for SMB shares.) Stable USB stack would be nice as well. Ever since El Capitan, virtual machines I run off USB drive have been getting random I/O timeouts. OS X tends to need quite a bit more memory than Win10. Win10 is as usable on 2 GB RAM as OS X on 4 GB. OS X graphics driver is also pretty slow, some 30% slower than on Windows. OpenGL support is pretty bad on OS X. On Windows 10 side my biggest issues are unstable (or temporarily unavailable) RDP and bluetooth stereo audio stuttering. RDP color accuracy leaves also a lot to be desired.

vetinari 11y ago
Funny, that it's SMB that I hate on Windows. With OSX or Linux its no problem to access shares with different credentials, no matter whether Windows server in AD or standalone samba-based NAS, while it is a major pita in Windows.
- vardump 11y ago
  Odd. I think my issues might have something to do with file sizes. Maybe there are some issues with files over 2 GB or 4 GB. I don't know. I've just resorted to using FTP (ugh!) and USB drives to get files out of my OS X machines.
  - vetinari 11y ago
    The network is OK? Are you connected over wifi? No packet loss? And even though it is 3x3 MIMO, copying 20GB vm images is not something you want to do over wifi, so in the end I've got the Thunderbolt Ethernet adapter. Works like a charm, shorted the transfer by more than 10x. SMB by itself never gave a problem (clean install of 11.0, then continuously updated to 11.4).
    - vardump 11y ago

haldean 11y ago

There's no Surface Pro equivalent for OSX (the iPad Pro not running a real OS is too bad), and Mac machines are crazy expensive for what's inside. At least, that's why I switched.