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A one-click measure to circumvent a captcha is pretty good convenience-wise imo.

scrollaway 11y ago
Sure, but google cache/archive pages often lack some images, have broken javascript, etc. Additionally, there's a huge difference between "point and click", and "point, click, click again, look for the plugin, another click, do this for every page".
- lake99 11y ago
  > "point, click, click again, look for the plugin, another click, do this for every page". Honestly, I don't know how I can make the process as complicated as you described it, even if I wanted to. In reality, it is no more complicated than right-click, open in new tab.
- Sir_Cmpwn 11y ago
  Smart Tor users have JavaScript turned off anyway. You might be lacking the images, but lately this has been pretty good on archive.org.
  - scrollaway 11y ago
    Thus cementing the "no convenience" clause. I understand this is an acceptable tradeoff for some people (myself included) but you can't pretend it's convenient.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 11y ago
      Again, I disagree. Not every website today requires JavaScript, and in fact most websites that cater to the sort of audience that includes Tor users are even less likely to. I don't think anyone sees Tor as a daily driver for general web browsing. It's not much less convenient for the use-cases it's meant to support.
    - aw3c2 11y ago
      Give it a try for a week. You might be amazed how fast, calm and content-rich the web can be, if you disable Javascript by default and whitelist when needed.
      - scrollaway 11y ago
        I'm well aware of what the web is like without JS. I know it's usable. I'm saying it's not convenient. Whitelisting is not convenient. If people are pretending it is, they're doing a disservice to the security community. Kinda how like people pretend GPG is usable and convenient, thus holding back progress in the security UX front.
        aw3c2 11y ago
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Sure, but google cache/archive pages often lack some images, have broken javascript, etc. Additionally, there's a huge difference between "point and click", and "point, click, click again, look for the plugin, another click, do this for every page".

lake99 11y ago
> "point, click, click again, look for the plugin, another click, do this for every page". Honestly, I don't know how I can make the process as complicated as you described it, even if I wanted to. In reality, it is no more complicated than right-click, open in new tab.
Sir_Cmpwn 11y ago
Smart Tor users have JavaScript turned off anyway. You might be lacking the images, but lately this has been pretty good on archive.org.
- scrollaway 11y ago
  Thus cementing the "no convenience" clause. I understand this is an acceptable tradeoff for some people (myself included) but you can't pretend it's convenient.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 11y ago
    Again, I disagree. Not every website today requires JavaScript, and in fact most websites that cater to the sort of audience that includes Tor users are even less likely to. I don't think anyone sees Tor as a daily driver for general web browsing. It's not much less convenient for the use-cases it's meant to support.
  - aw3c2 11y ago
    Give it a try for a week. You might be amazed how fast, calm and content-rich the web can be, if you disable Javascript by default and whitelist when needed.
    - scrollaway 11y ago
      I'm well aware of what the web is like without JS. I know it's usable. I'm saying it's not convenient. Whitelisting is not convenient. If people are pretending it is, they're doing a disservice to the security community. Kinda how like people pretend GPG is usable and convenient, thus holding back progress in the security UX front.
      - aw3c2 11y ago
        I find SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER and LIKE US ON SOCIAL MEDIAS popups and ads much more inconvenient. Sorry for the late reply.