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I'd like to know what kind of web applications you've built and what tech stack you've used for them for you to make such an uninformed statement like that.

ebbv 11y ago
I'm not really interested in posting my CV to HN. Suffice to say I've been the lead web developer at several companies and have been doing that for ~13 years now. I've used all the popular web development languages, and written everything from small applications to web sites with hundreds of thousands of users. I personally think .NET is much worse than any of the more common web languages (even PHP or Perl) for the web. If I were writing a Windows application then I'd probably write it in .NET using Visual Studio, but not a web application. As I said in my original comment "Different strokes.", you may like .NET. That's fine. It might be the right choice for you and the wrong one for me. I was more commenting that it was amazing to me that someone would think it was awesome because it sounds like the complete opposite to me. I guess I should have asked what you find compelling about writing web applications in .NET.
- 0xFFC 11y ago
  I think technical reason is much better than bringing up your CV.
  - ebbv 11y ago
    Hey read the comment I was responding to. He asked for my CV, that's why I responded like that. .NET is overkill for web application development, IMHO. But I tend to eschew large frameworks in general. YMMV.
- hudo 11y ago
  I would like hear arguments, what you don't like particularly? I'm not saying .net is the best web dev platform, not at all, but i wouldn't say it's worse than most. It has it's own set of pros/cons, like every other, but generally, to me it looks quite decent, despite heavyweight VS/IIS, which is another story. Looking at mvc, rest, looks pretty much like any other modern dev stack:/
  - ebbv 11y ago
    It has a reasonable MVC model, it mostly boils down to it's just way overkill. Using t for web development to me is like using a 27 foot truck to get groceries. The beauty, to me, of even "large" web applications is that they can still be light weight.
    - Someone1234 11y ago
      What is "overkill?" The framework? The language? The UI? The CLR? I have issues with Microsoft's MVC (mostly that there is no official way of splitting it across several solutions and keeping working routing) but I've never found it overkill for enterprise-style webapp development. We used MVC/Entity Framework. It works well as a RAD for the backend with full HTML/CSS/JS for the front end that we can get creative with. Reminds me a lot of Java development.
      - ebbv 11y ago
        Visual Studio is overkill for web development IMHO (and again, different strokes. I know some people like to write PHP in Eclipse.) The MVC model itself is not overkill, sorry that sentence was not clear. I should know better than make contentious comments on HN that are going to spawn a bunch of aggressive responses when I'm trying to start my day.
        Delmania 11y ago
        Making contentious comments is fine, the problem is you have to back them up with anything solid. The basis of your argument is that Visual Studio is overkill for writing web applications. That has nothing to do with ASP.NET and more to do with the desire for simpler developer environment. This can be solved by using VSCode, or setting up Omnisharp for the various text editors out there. You have not given any solid technical reason as to why ASP.NET is a bad framework. In my experiences, it's more or less as capable as Ruby on Rails, Clojure, Java, etc. You've stated it's overkill, meaning what exactly? Are you even aware of the changes being made to ASP.NET vNext? The dotnet cli tool? The only complaint you seem to have is that the tight coupling of ASP.NET to various Windows platforms is a little much for people who are used to Go or RoR.
- nbevans 11y ago
  Being stuck in "lead web developer" roles for 13 years probably rules you out of being an influencer though.
  - ebbv 11y ago
    I'm not interested in being a manager, executive or a founder. I've had opportunities and pass. I like being a developer. It's not stuck. As far as being an "influencer"; do you see any links on my profile? Again, that's something other people find appealing, not me.
- swalsh 11y ago
  I'm guessing its been a few years since you've touched web development in .NET? A lot has changed...
zxcvcxz 11y ago
If you can't develop with it on all platforms it sucks. Not to mention the job market for .NET devs is pretty shit and I don't know a single person who actually enjoys it.

ebbv 11y ago

I'm not really interested in posting my CV to HN. Suffice to say I've been the lead web developer at several companies and have been doing that for ~13 years now. I've used all the popular web development languages, and written everything from small applications to web sites with hundreds of thousands of users. I personally think .NET is much worse than any of the more common web languages (even PHP or Perl) for the web. If I were writing a Windows application then I'd probably write it in .NET using Visual Studio, but not a web application. As I said in my original comment "Different strokes.", you may like .NET. That's fine. It might be the right choice for you and the wrong one for me. I was more commenting that it was amazing to me that someone would think it was awesome because it sounds like the complete opposite to me. I guess I should have asked what you find compelling about writing web applications in .NET.

0xFFC 11y ago
I think technical reason is much better than bringing up your CV.
- ebbv 11y ago
  Hey read the comment I was responding to. He asked for my CV, that's why I responded like that. .NET is overkill for web application development, IMHO. But I tend to eschew large frameworks in general. YMMV.
hudo 11y ago
I would like hear arguments, what you don't like particularly? I'm not saying .net is the best web dev platform, not at all, but i wouldn't say it's worse than most. It has it's own set of pros/cons, like every other, but generally, to me it looks quite decent, despite heavyweight VS/IIS, which is another story. Looking at mvc, rest, looks pretty much like any other modern dev stack:/
- ebbv 11y ago
  It has a reasonable MVC model, it mostly boils down to it's just way overkill. Using t for web development to me is like using a 27 foot truck to get groceries. The beauty, to me, of even "large" web applications is that they can still be light weight.
  - Someone1234 11y ago
    What is "overkill?" The framework? The language? The UI? The CLR? I have issues with Microsoft's MVC (mostly that there is no official way of splitting it across several solutions and keeping working routing) but I've never found it overkill for enterprise-style webapp development. We used MVC/Entity Framework. It works well as a RAD for the backend with full HTML/CSS/JS for the front end that we can get creative with. Reminds me a lot of Java development.
    - ebbv 11y ago
      Visual Studio is overkill for web development IMHO (and again, different strokes. I know some people like to write PHP in Eclipse.) The MVC model itself is not overkill, sorry that sentence was not clear. I should know better than make contentious comments on HN that are going to spawn a bunch of aggressive responses when I'm trying to start my day.
      - Delmania 11y ago
        Making contentious comments is fine, the problem is you have to back them up with anything solid. The basis of your argument is that Visual Studio is overkill for writing web applications. That has nothing to do with ASP.NET and more to do with the desire for simpler developer environment. This can be solved by using VSCode, or setting up Omnisharp for the various text editors out there. You have not given any solid technical reason as to why ASP.NET is a bad framework. In my experiences, it's more or less as capable as Ruby on Rails, Clojure, Java, etc. You've stated it's overkill, meaning what exactly? Are you even aware of the changes being made to ASP.NET vNext? The dotnet cli tool? The only complaint you seem to have is that the tight coupling of ASP.NET to various Windows platforms is a little much for people who are used to Go or RoR.
nbevans 11y ago
Being stuck in "lead web developer" roles for 13 years probably rules you out of being an influencer though.
- ebbv 11y ago
  I'm not interested in being a manager, executive or a founder. I've had opportunities and pass. I like being a developer. It's not stuck. As far as being an "influencer"; do you see any links on my profile? Again, that's something other people find appealing, not me.
swalsh 11y ago
I'm guessing its been a few years since you've touched web development in .NET? A lot has changed...

zxcvcxz 11y ago

If you can't develop with it on all platforms it sucks. Not to mention the job market for .NET devs is pretty shit and I don't know a single person who actually enjoys it.