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Well, the first time a hacker vehicle exploit results in one or more deaths of the driver and/or passengers of one of these Internet-connected vehicles, it's go

Well, the first time a hacker vehicle exploit results in one or more deaths of the driver and/or passengers of one of these Internet-connected vehicles, it's going to be all over the news. Right around then... and when the lawsuits hit, some execs/directors are going to realize that such effort is far less costly than the PR disasters that can unfold when corners are cut. I mean, obviously some people at Volvo thought that actual emissions compliance was far too costly to bother with --and that didn't even result in a vehicle accident or personal injury. Certainly their bottom line has had a major impact as a result. The potential for PR disaster with Internet-connected vehicles is certainly much more concerning. The inevitability of some such future tragedy and resulting media-fueled PR disaster for one or more vehicle manufactures is a certainty. It's only a matter of when and which vehicle manufacturer(s) will be liable. When that happens, I’m certain that such sizable companies can figure out how to streamline the approval process with whatever regulatory bodies might be involved, or they’ll just learn to live with the pain… for being for less than the much greater pain of a PR disaster.

ChristianBundy 11y ago
> Well, the first time a hacker vehicle exploit results in one or more deaths of the driver and/or passengers of one of these Internet-connected vehicles, it's going to be all over the news. Michael Hastings, anyone?
Animats 11y ago
Not Volvo - Volkswagen.
- suzeanne 11y ago
  Correct. I typoed.
catnaroek 11y ago
You're confusing Volvo with Volkswagen.
- Swizec 11y ago
  Which just goes to show the real impact of that PR disaster -> none. People can't even remember correctly which of the 3 or 4 largest car brands in the world it was.
  - PhasmaFelis 11y ago
    Their stock price dropped by like 40% in a few days. I think that trumps "one person on the internet got a name confused."
    - BBlarat 11y ago
      I'm not following Volkswagon stocks, but did they bounce back up after a while or are they stuck in a down? If they're still down than yes that trumps, but if it got back up after a while I guess some people made loads of money on this debacle but VW seems unharmed.
      - dagw 11y ago
        They bounced back a bit, but they're still more than 20% off what they where the day before the scandal broke and att almost half of their 12 month peak.
    - Nutmog 11y ago
      That's not obvious at all. Their share price has now recovered half way to where it was, so you should call that a 20% drop when comparing to what people remember today (not the few days after news broke). Not only that, it was already in an even bigger decline during the year leading up to the emissions scandal, and that decline instantly stopped. Compared to the pre-scandal trend, you could almost argue that their share price has improved since the scandal. Look at the graph. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=VOW.DE+Interactive#{"allowChartStacking":true} http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=VOW.DE+Interactive#{"allo...
  - Too 11y ago
    http://www.wired.com/2016/03/survey-finds-one-4-americans-remembers-jeep-hack/ http://www.wired.com/2016/03/survey-finds-one-4-americans-re...
slgeorge 11y ago
> Well, the first time a hacker vehicle exploit results in one or more deaths of the driver and/or passengers of one of these Internet-connected vehicles It's the infotainment system according to one of the original blog posts. And in fairness the previous post was all about the updates they were providing - albeit unencrypted.
- bigiain 11y ago
  Wasn't the Wired article reported Jeep hack done via the infotainment system (through an improperly implemented one-way connection to the canbus, from memory)?
  - suzeanne 11y ago
    Yes, precisely: "Miller and Valasek’s exploit uses a burner phone’s cellular connection to attack the Jeep’s internet-connected entertainment system." http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-high...
- suzeanne 11y ago
  It doesn't matter if it's the infotainment system so long as it's connected to the rest of the electronics. Yes, hacks have already exploited critical vehicle controls via Internet infotainment systems. So long as vehicle manufacturers do not physically separate the electronics, such vulnerabilities will surface. Currently, the standard practice is to build out the electronics for a vehicle as a single system.
  - noselasd 11y ago
    I'd rather wait until your claims of security issues and remote hacks are verified for the particular vehicle here. All of this is just crying wolf so far.
    - nitrogen 11y ago
      Remote-drive vulnerabilities have been demonstrated in infotainment systems, proving that the class of vulnerabilities is real. There's no need to prove it can happen for every single vehicle to be concerned about general best practices.
rconti 11y ago
I suspect the first time that happens, automakers will move away from FOSS so that the can at least hide what outdated junk they're using.
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skoczymroczny 11y ago
Or they will phrase it as "Hacker uses open sourced BMW code to find a vulnerability resulting in a fatal vehicle crash", "If they hadn't opensourced it, it wouldn't have happened!"

ChristianBundy 11y ago

> Well, the first time a hacker vehicle exploit results in one or more deaths of the driver and/or passengers of one of these Internet-connected vehicles, it's going to be all over the news. Michael Hastings, anyone?

Animats 11y ago

Not Volvo - Volkswagen.

suzeanne 11y ago
Correct. I typoed.

catnaroek 11y ago

You're confusing Volvo with Volkswagen.

Swizec 11y ago
Which just goes to show the real impact of that PR disaster -> none. People can't even remember correctly which of the 3 or 4 largest car brands in the world it was.
- PhasmaFelis 11y ago
  Their stock price dropped by like 40% in a few days. I think that trumps "one person on the internet got a name confused."
  - BBlarat 11y ago
    I'm not following Volkswagon stocks, but did they bounce back up after a while or are they stuck in a down? If they're still down than yes that trumps, but if it got back up after a while I guess some people made loads of money on this debacle but VW seems unharmed.
    - dagw 11y ago
      They bounced back a bit, but they're still more than 20% off what they where the day before the scandal broke and att almost half of their 12 month peak.
  - Nutmog 11y ago
    That's not obvious at all. Their share price has now recovered half way to where it was, so you should call that a 20% drop when comparing to what people remember today (not the few days after news broke). Not only that, it was already in an even bigger decline during the year leading up to the emissions scandal, and that decline instantly stopped. Compared to the pre-scandal trend, you could almost argue that their share price has improved since the scandal. Look at the graph. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=VOW.DE+Interactive#{"allowChartStacking":true} http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=VOW.DE+Interactive#{"allo...
- Too 11y ago
  http://www.wired.com/2016/03/survey-finds-one-4-americans-remembers-jeep-hack/ http://www.wired.com/2016/03/survey-finds-one-4-americans-re...

slgeorge 11y ago

> Well, the first time a hacker vehicle exploit results in one or more deaths of the driver and/or passengers of one of these Internet-connected vehicles It's the infotainment system according to one of the original blog posts. And in fairness the previous post was all about the updates they were providing - albeit unencrypted.

bigiain 11y ago
Wasn't the Wired article reported Jeep hack done via the infotainment system (through an improperly implemented one-way connection to the canbus, from memory)?
- suzeanne 11y ago
  Yes, precisely: "Miller and Valasek’s exploit uses a burner phone’s cellular connection to attack the Jeep’s internet-connected entertainment system." http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-high...
suzeanne 11y ago
It doesn't matter if it's the infotainment system so long as it's connected to the rest of the electronics. Yes, hacks have already exploited critical vehicle controls via Internet infotainment systems. So long as vehicle manufacturers do not physically separate the electronics, such vulnerabilities will surface. Currently, the standard practice is to build out the electronics for a vehicle as a single system.
- noselasd 11y ago
  I'd rather wait until your claims of security issues and remote hacks are verified for the particular vehicle here. All of this is just crying wolf so far.
  - nitrogen 11y ago
    Remote-drive vulnerabilities have been demonstrated in infotainment systems, proving that the class of vulnerabilities is real. There's no need to prove it can happen for every single vehicle to be concerned about general best practices.

rconti 11y ago

I suspect the first time that happens, automakers will move away from FOSS so that the can at least hide what outdated junk they're using.

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skoczymroczny 11y ago

Or they will phrase it as "Hacker uses open sourced BMW code to find a vulnerability resulting in a fatal vehicle crash", "If they hadn't opensourced it, it wouldn't have happened!"