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It's also far from clear how "racist" the statements were - most of the people on twitter don't seem to have actually read Moldbug/Yarvin. Proponents of ostraci
by yummyfajitas 11y ago
It's also far from clear how "racist" the statements were - most of the people on twitter don't seem to have actually read Moldbug/Yarvin. Proponents of ostracizing Yarvin are notably unwilling to actually discuss why they believe it's racist.
(I admit, I've not come anywhere near reading his entire work. He's longwinded and that's a big barrier.)
The actual blog post that's criticized is here: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-carlyle-matters.html http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-car...
My best summary of the controversial part of the blog that I can come up with is this: Suddenly we see the relationship between slavery and government. Serfdom and slavery can be described as microgovernment and nanogovernment respectively. In government proper, the normal human role of patron is filled by a giant, impersonal, and often accidentally sadistic bureaucracy...In serfdom, this role is filled by a noble house...In slavery, mastership is exercised by a mobile individual whose slaves go with him.
We see these same relationship parameters emerging...This is a pretty good clue that this structure is one to which humans are biologically adapted.
Nozick had a much shorter essay (Yarvin is not known for brevity) which expresses the same idea: http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/nozick_slave.html http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/no...
The larger part of the essay is about creating order in society and Robert Carlyle's views on that.
The specific quote which is interpreted as supporting slavery is this: Thus, Spaniards and Englishmen in the Americas in the 17th and earlier centuries, whose sense of political correctness was negligible, found that Africans tended to make good slaves and Indians did not. This broad pattern of observation is most parsimoniously explained by genetic differences.
This is mostly tangential to his main points, however.
- infodroid 11y agoCurtis Yarvin was hosting an AMA on Reddit a few days ago. One participant Joram2 grilled him on this aspect of his writings. After some discussion, Joram2 was satisfied that there wasn't any racist intent there: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4bxf6f/im_curtis_yarvin_developer_of_urbit_ama/d1da212 https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4bxf6f/im_curtis_yarv...
- tunesmith 11y agoHe's basically a very effective troll. It seems an actual technique in that community is to write turgidly about a bunch of provocative-but-plausibly-deniable points, and then leave out the therefores except for doing a rhetorical wink/nudge. It's exhausting.
- yummyfajitas 11y agoHave you considered the possibility that maybe he actually believes the ideas he is promoting? I.e., rather than writing with the goal of trolling a bunch of people who only read his blog years later, maybe he was actually interested in the ideas he's writing about? Sometimes people write a lot about esoteric topics - my blog is a ton of statistics and code. Maybe Yarvin is just a nerd?
- tunesmith 11y agoI'm more referring to his effect than his intent. Call it accidental trolling.
- yummyfajitas 11y agoSo after effort which you describe as "exhausting" you can find racism in Moldbug's writing that you acknowledge he may not have intended. Yep, he's definitely a villain of the worst sort.
- tunesmith 11y agoThis strikes me as a willful misinterpretation of what I meant, so I'll stop engaging with this thread here.
- runT1ME 11y agoI too read his blogs and didn't find it so egregious that it's worth banning him. However, his AMA and latest blog post are even more racist. He's either too intellectually stunted to understand why what he says could be offensive, or he's playing games. It's sad.
- yummyfajitas 11y agoWhat do you believe is racist about his recent writings?