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The fact that humans pare down their choices through decision-making and convention is not the same as saying the choice does not exist. Your considerations to

The fact that humans pare down their choices through decision-making and convention is not the same as saying the choice does not exist. Your considerations to "My air conditioner was not working correctly last week" could also include: run through the streets naked, kill your wife, fill your bathtub with jello, buy a fan, etc. You eliminate most of these options out of hand because you know they won't be useful, as a result of an entire lifetime's worth of training; an AI has to be brought to this point. At any point on the AI's decision tree, a priori, is "kill all humans", just as it is on yours - it has to be taught that most of the time this choice doesn't make sense.

monkmartinez 11y ago
You are right... I had to learn a lot to eliminate the obviously non-productive routes in my decision matrix. My contention is that those non-productive routes are fewer than the routes AlphaGo encounters within the game of Go. If there were an AlphaHVAC, AlphaMATH, AlphaPlumbing, AlphaStucco, AlphaEMS, AlphaLogic, AlphaMorals etc., etc. we could have modal expert systems we point at whatever we need to know and do. Emergency field medicine is a lot like remodeling a bathroom with mold. Once you discover the problem, you follow algorithms to fix the issues. It was the same with my HVAC system. In emergency field medicine, they even call them algorithms. Then we can combine the expert systems under some kind of unifying command structure... have them "talk" to each other, learn from one another. AlphaGo has shown that complex, difficult, and downright ugly problems can be modeled and yield results better than the lifetime training of a human in the game of Go (at least for now). IMO, Deepmind will mark the transition to the age of Transhumanism.
- astazangasta 11y ago
  >IMO, Deepmind will mark the transition to the age of Transhumanism. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, but I'm pretty sure I don't want it to happen.
- inopinatus 11y ago
  I understand what you're suggesting, but as an ontological taxonomy nitpick: I was under the impression that Transhumanism was about the betterment - not obsolescence - of humans. In that frame surely we should be talking about how AlphaGo-like systems can augment direct human cognition. Yes I want to plug it into my brain.

monkmartinez 11y ago

You are right... I had to learn a lot to eliminate the obviously non-productive routes in my decision matrix. My contention is that those non-productive routes are fewer than the routes AlphaGo encounters within the game of Go. If there were an AlphaHVAC, AlphaMATH, AlphaPlumbing, AlphaStucco, AlphaEMS, AlphaLogic, AlphaMorals etc., etc. we could have modal expert systems we point at whatever we need to know and do. Emergency field medicine is a lot like remodeling a bathroom with mold. Once you discover the problem, you follow algorithms to fix the issues. It was the same with my HVAC system. In emergency field medicine, they even call them algorithms. Then we can combine the expert systems under some kind of unifying command structure... have them "talk" to each other, learn from one another. AlphaGo has shown that complex, difficult, and downright ugly problems can be modeled and yield results better than the lifetime training of a human in the game of Go (at least for now). IMO, Deepmind will mark the transition to the age of Transhumanism.

astazangasta 11y ago
>IMO, Deepmind will mark the transition to the age of Transhumanism. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, but I'm pretty sure I don't want it to happen.
inopinatus 11y ago
I understand what you're suggesting, but as an ontological taxonomy nitpick: I was under the impression that Transhumanism was about the betterment - not obsolescence - of humans. In that frame surely we should be talking about how AlphaGo-like systems can augment direct human cognition. Yes I want to plug it into my brain.