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Completely agree. Apple is becoming more and more user unfriendly. Why pay for that kind of abuse?

blasdel 17y ago
Because the abuse is precisely what makes the ecosystem as user-friendly as it is. They want any iPhone user to be able to pick up your iPhone and have it behave the way they expect. They don't want users to be scared of them the way they are of their PCs. They don't want the massive fragmentation present on Android. They don't want all the coolest software that would otherwise be AppStore-friendly coming out via user-hostile ad-hoc channels. The beatings will continue until usability improves.
- cookiecaper 17y ago
  This doesn't really make sense. It's fine for Apple to release their phones a certain way because of those concerns. It's not fine for them to log into my phone and reset everything I've done because it doesn't match their overall vision for the device. It's my phone and I can do what I want to it. If that doesn't match with Apple's philosophy, they should at least be upfront with the idea that you're leasing the device and that Apple reserves the right to override anything you do to it because it doesn't match their "vision". If only there was a way Apple could ensure there were no stickers, skins, or markings on individual iPhones. Then they could really make sure no one got confused and thought the iPhone was ugly!
  - jsz0 17y ago
    Apple/carriers don't do OTA firmware updates on the iPhone. It's your choice to install the update or not.
    - cookiecaper 17y ago
      While it's better that the device isn't updated automatically, it's the same effect; I assume Apple bills these updates as essential for security and functionality features, so one may assume it's necessary and install over their stuff, perhaps unknowingly (if a friend administered the jailbreak, or if they didn't pay much attention and just assume it works with updates). It's really just not worth the hassle, honestly. I will never own an iPhone primarily for these reasons.
- fauigerzigerk 17y ago
  I fail to see what censoring dictionaries has to do with user friendliness. I also doubt that slowing down software updates in order to hunt down infringing icons helps user friendliness or security. Deleting songs from iPods without even a warning when the iPod is connected to the wrong computer is also rather pointless in terms of user friendliness. It's about copyright. So let's be clear about that. Much of what Apple does has to do with control not user friendliness. But anyway, in some areas you're right. Sometimes less choice makes a device easier to use. At the same time it lowers the threshold at wich I cannot do something that I absolutely must to do. At that point "ease of use" becomes irrelevant. That's why Apple has become utterly irrelevant to me. Obviously, many people will never hit that threshold, so Apple is going to keep on selling a lot of devices. I just can't understand how anyone calling himself (or herself) a hacker can accept the kind of limitations imposed by Apple, which are hugely more restrictive than anything Microsoft came up with even in their most evil moments.
- theBobMcCormick 17y ago
  I'd say the abuse is making the ecosystem less user-friendly. Users want things like Google Voice, or the ability for third party music apps (Pandora, Last.FM, etc) to play in the background. Blocking those things isn't user friendly. I'd also love to see an example of this mythical "massive fragmentation" that supposedly exists in the Android platform.
demallien 17y ago
Hang on. How is the correction of a security bug in any way shape or form "abusing" users of iPhones. Frankly, if you want to reproach Apple on the subject of security holes, it's because they sometimes take a long time getting around to fix them. The fact that they fixed this one relatively rapidly deserves praise, not criticism.
- sjs 17y ago
  It's really only a security hole for them, afaik anyway. Are there known exploits besides the jailbreaking tools? Considering what we go through to jailbreak I'd be pretty surprised if there was an OTA exploit.

Because the abuse is precisely what makes the ecosystem as user-friendly as it is. They want any iPhone user to be able to pick up your iPhone and have it behave the way they expect. They don't want users to be scared of them the way they are of their PCs. They don't want the massive fragmentation present on Android. They don't want all the coolest software that would otherwise be AppStore-friendly coming out via user-hostile ad-hoc channels. The beatings will continue until usability improves.

cookiecaper 17y ago
This doesn't really make sense. It's fine for Apple to release their phones a certain way because of those concerns. It's not fine for them to log into my phone and reset everything I've done because it doesn't match their overall vision for the device. It's my phone and I can do what I want to it. If that doesn't match with Apple's philosophy, they should at least be upfront with the idea that you're leasing the device and that Apple reserves the right to override anything you do to it because it doesn't match their "vision". If only there was a way Apple could ensure there were no stickers, skins, or markings on individual iPhones. Then they could really make sure no one got confused and thought the iPhone was ugly!
- jsz0 17y ago
  Apple/carriers don't do OTA firmware updates on the iPhone. It's your choice to install the update or not.
  - cookiecaper 17y ago
    While it's better that the device isn't updated automatically, it's the same effect; I assume Apple bills these updates as essential for security and functionality features, so one may assume it's necessary and install over their stuff, perhaps unknowingly (if a friend administered the jailbreak, or if they didn't pay much attention and just assume it works with updates). It's really just not worth the hassle, honestly. I will never own an iPhone primarily for these reasons.
fauigerzigerk 17y ago
I fail to see what censoring dictionaries has to do with user friendliness. I also doubt that slowing down software updates in order to hunt down infringing icons helps user friendliness or security. Deleting songs from iPods without even a warning when the iPod is connected to the wrong computer is also rather pointless in terms of user friendliness. It's about copyright. So let's be clear about that. Much of what Apple does has to do with control not user friendliness. But anyway, in some areas you're right. Sometimes less choice makes a device easier to use. At the same time it lowers the threshold at wich I cannot do something that I absolutely must to do. At that point "ease of use" becomes irrelevant. That's why Apple has become utterly irrelevant to me. Obviously, many people will never hit that threshold, so Apple is going to keep on selling a lot of devices. I just can't understand how anyone calling himself (or herself) a hacker can accept the kind of limitations imposed by Apple, which are hugely more restrictive than anything Microsoft came up with even in their most evil moments.
theBobMcCormick 17y ago
I'd say the abuse is making the ecosystem less user-friendly. Users want things like Google Voice, or the ability for third party music apps (Pandora, Last.FM, etc) to play in the background. Blocking those things isn't user friendly. I'd also love to see an example of this mythical "massive fragmentation" that supposedly exists in the Android platform.

demallien 17y ago

Hang on. How is the correction of a security bug in any way shape or form "abusing" users of iPhones. Frankly, if you want to reproach Apple on the subject of security holes, it's because they sometimes take a long time getting around to fix them. The fact that they fixed this one relatively rapidly deserves praise, not criticism.

sjs 17y ago
It's really only a security hole for them, afaik anyway. Are there known exploits besides the jailbreaking tools? Considering what we go through to jailbreak I'd be pretty surprised if there was an OTA exploit.