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Flash isn't one of the foundational technologies of the web. If it has to use the embed or object tags, it is not foundational.

ynniv 17y ago
That's as far down the page as I got. I was willing to ignore his suggestion that Jobs has no idea what he's talking about (willing suspension I guess), but after reading that a proprietary vendor plug-in is "foundational" to the web, I lost all interest. No one owes Adobe anything. If Apple sells an "Internet"Pad that doesn't run Flash, and people buy and use them then that says Flash isn't a required feature. Simple as that. Personally I've been running ClickToFlash and Flashblock and find the web a better place. I only click boxes that I expect to see video in.
bilbo0s 17y ago
This is exactly right. Flash is a plugin for the web, and unfortunately for its creators, it has not evolved enough to be of clearly superior use in another capacity. A while ago Flash replaced Java for embedded interactive media content on the web. Java did not disappear because Java could be used to do other things. Would GE Medical Systems write their diagnostic imaging software in Flash? I think we all know that would not happen. But GE would be fine using Java, and so would the FDA who audits their software before it can go to market. My point is, Flash is going to go away. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next month, but eventually it will go away. And it will go away because its creators did not innovate and keep evolving it so that it would be useful in a changed environment. This is the tech industry, the environment always changes. Even worse for those who want to keep doing what they were good at yesterday, it changes in unexpected ways. Let every entrepreneur on this board take what is happening to Flash right now as a cautionary tale. Let's not rail against it, we should learn from it. This is how we evolve the American technology industry, by taking these lessons to heart.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  > This is how we evolve the American technology industry, by taking these lessons to heart. Why only the American one ?
  - jrockway 17y ago
    Because the other countries only really exist in movies, obviously.
    - mahmud 17y ago
      Boring, indie movies.

ynniv 17y ago

That's as far down the page as I got. I was willing to ignore his suggestion that Jobs has no idea what he's talking about (willing suspension I guess), but after reading that a proprietary vendor plug-in is "foundational" to the web, I lost all interest. No one owes Adobe anything. If Apple sells an "Internet"Pad that doesn't run Flash, and people buy and use them then that says Flash isn't a required feature. Simple as that. Personally I've been running ClickToFlash and Flashblock and find the web a better place. I only click boxes that I expect to see video in.

bilbo0s 17y ago

This is exactly right. Flash is a plugin for the web, and unfortunately for its creators, it has not evolved enough to be of clearly superior use in another capacity. A while ago Flash replaced Java for embedded interactive media content on the web. Java did not disappear because Java could be used to do other things. Would GE Medical Systems write their diagnostic imaging software in Flash? I think we all know that would not happen. But GE would be fine using Java, and so would the FDA who audits their software before it can go to market. My point is, Flash is going to go away. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next month, but eventually it will go away. And it will go away because its creators did not innovate and keep evolving it so that it would be useful in a changed environment. This is the tech industry, the environment always changes. Even worse for those who want to keep doing what they were good at yesterday, it changes in unexpected ways. Let every entrepreneur on this board take what is happening to Flash right now as a cautionary tale. Let's not rail against it, we should learn from it. This is how we evolve the American technology industry, by taking these lessons to heart.

jacquesm 17y ago
> This is how we evolve the American technology industry, by taking these lessons to heart. Why only the American one ?
- jrockway 17y ago
  Because the other countries only really exist in movies, obviously.
  - mahmud 17y ago
    Boring, indie movies.