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Right on. Most people with actual depression are rarely able to visit a doctor, let alone survive the hoop jumping required to see a psychiatrist, yet alone get

by cairo_x 11y ago

Right on. Most people with actual depression are rarely able to visit a doctor, let alone survive the hoop jumping required to see a psychiatrist, yet alone get a referral for a psychologist, yet alone participate in a study. Frankly, I doubt there has ever been a study ever done on depression where the majority of participants actually had it. It is simply not realistic. You'd have more luck getting a paraplegic into the Olympics than a depressed person into anything more an appointment with a GP. But every man and his dog has claimed they've had depression. It's like listening to a student who had to survive on ramen noodles for a few years, claim they know what starvation and poverty is like. Unbelievable.

studentrob 11y ago
Perhaps there are some who exaggerate. But I wonder how many people who never experienced life-altering depression would be interested in this thread, and how many people who did would follow it. My intuition says the second number is bigger and that generally speaking, most people here have had experience with either meds, therapy, or untreated life-altering depression.
- cairo_x 11y ago
  Everyone likes to think they've had depression. It's the human struggle -- only it's not. It is the inability for neurons to recover from stress. Most people are able to recover. People with depression are not. Everyone who is a human being, who has gone through grief, may entertain the idea they've had depression, and may follow this thread, but very few both to pay attention to the state of the art. Instead people fall back to high school level psychology. Amazing how psychologists, too, are somehow exempt from paying attention to the state of neuroscience. Psychology is to neuroscience what philosophy is to physics. Only psychology has done a lot more damage. Nice to see that meta study after meta study is slow debunking all those years of phony studies. Meanwhile they wine and rage and refuse to go back to university, and instead take to the blogs and snake oil. It makes me sick.
  - studentrob 11y ago
    > Everyone who is a human being, who has gone through grief, may entertain the idea they've had depression, and may follow this thread, but very few both to pay attention to the state of the art. Instead people fall back to high school level psychology. Amazing how psychologists, too, are somehow exempt from paying attention to the state of neuroscience. I realize there are different levels of grief and depression. I'm saying, there are people in this thread who were clinically diagnosed, dealt with depression for years, and have stories about that. Some had bad experiences with meds. We should not discard the experiences of these people simply because there are some people out there who mistakenly think they've experienced depression. The fact is, many of the people in this thread have. Patients don't need to understand all of neuroscience. They can still share their experiences. > Meanwhile they wine and rage and refuse to go back to university, and instead take to the blogs and snake oil. It makes me sick. There is recent research that suggests some meds can cause harmful manic behavior. This is not to be ignored either. Other people have a right to share their opinion. You have the right to feel sick about it. One of these is under your control, perhaps with the help of a friend or therapist. The other is definitely out of your control.
    - cairo_x 11y ago
      Everyone has the right to share opinions. Unfortunately the diagnosis of depression has been down to opinion also. Not an opinion informed by understanding, but by criteria of a disease no one yet fully understands, concocted by a bunch of cocaine snorting pompous bullshit artists (too far?). Being diagnosed means a doctor listened to you describing a bunch of feelings and looked up a checklist, and matched some of those words you said to the checklist, and presto! Depression! Have a pill, be on your way. And if you speak out against psychology then it's all explained by anti authoritarianism, and they put you in with the jews, and the gays, and the anarchists. Yes, homosexuality, and anti-authoritarianism were once recently on the checklist. You can't win. Complete gaslight tactics. Please understand, I'm not having an argument here, I'm venting some rage, big time. Nothing personal. Some of us have been through the ringer by bastards like the writer of that article. Well meaning bastards. True nurse ratchett evil bastard ..... has aneurysm

by cairo_x 11y ago

studentrob 11y ago

Perhaps there are some who exaggerate. But I wonder how many people who never experienced life-altering depression would be interested in this thread, and how many people who did would follow it. My intuition says the second number is bigger and that generally speaking, most people here have had experience with either meds, therapy, or untreated life-altering depression.

cairo_x 11y ago
Everyone likes to think they've had depression. It's the human struggle -- only it's not. It is the inability for neurons to recover from stress. Most people are able to recover. People with depression are not. Everyone who is a human being, who has gone through grief, may entertain the idea they've had depression, and may follow this thread, but very few both to pay attention to the state of the art. Instead people fall back to high school level psychology. Amazing how psychologists, too, are somehow exempt from paying attention to the state of neuroscience. Psychology is to neuroscience what philosophy is to physics. Only psychology has done a lot more damage. Nice to see that meta study after meta study is slow debunking all those years of phony studies. Meanwhile they wine and rage and refuse to go back to university, and instead take to the blogs and snake oil. It makes me sick.
- studentrob 11y ago
  > Everyone who is a human being, who has gone through grief, may entertain the idea they've had depression, and may follow this thread, but very few both to pay attention to the state of the art. Instead people fall back to high school level psychology. Amazing how psychologists, too, are somehow exempt from paying attention to the state of neuroscience. I realize there are different levels of grief and depression. I'm saying, there are people in this thread who were clinically diagnosed, dealt with depression for years, and have stories about that. Some had bad experiences with meds. We should not discard the experiences of these people simply because there are some people out there who mistakenly think they've experienced depression. The fact is, many of the people in this thread have. Patients don't need to understand all of neuroscience. They can still share their experiences. > Meanwhile they wine and rage and refuse to go back to university, and instead take to the blogs and snake oil. It makes me sick. There is recent research that suggests some meds can cause harmful manic behavior. This is not to be ignored either. Other people have a right to share their opinion. You have the right to feel sick about it. One of these is under your control, perhaps with the help of a friend or therapist. The other is definitely out of your control.
  - cairo_x 11y ago
    Everyone has the right to share opinions. Unfortunately the diagnosis of depression has been down to opinion also. Not an opinion informed by understanding, but by criteria of a disease no one yet fully understands, concocted by a bunch of cocaine snorting pompous bullshit artists (too far?). Being diagnosed means a doctor listened to you describing a bunch of feelings and looked up a checklist, and matched some of those words you said to the checklist, and presto! Depression! Have a pill, be on your way. And if you speak out against psychology then it's all explained by anti authoritarianism, and they put you in with the jews, and the gays, and the anarchists. Yes, homosexuality, and anti-authoritarianism were once recently on the checklist. You can't win. Complete gaslight tactics. Please understand, I'm not having an argument here, I'm venting some rage, big time. Nothing personal. Some of us have been through the ringer by bastards like the writer of that article. Well meaning bastards. True nurse ratchett evil bastard ..... has aneurysm