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Hardly, the people at the top have profited greatly, the rest still live in poverty. Countries which try and share the wealth of the oil i.e keep it a state own

Hardly, the people at the top have profited greatly, the rest still live in poverty. Countries which try and share the wealth of the oil i.e keep it a state owned affair are quickly labelled extremist and a threat to 'democracy' and 'world peace', then are bombed to oblivion. Afterwards a new puppet government is installed which allows foreign companies to come and use its oil.

ps4fanboy 11y ago
I think you miss understand what I am saying, By them I am referring to the country, for example Food is heavily subsidized by the government in Saudi Arabia. This subsidy is funded by the huge wealth the government has earned via taxes on the exports of oil. I cant find the source but I believe the Saudi government still has trillions of USD in surplus.
- bbcbasic 11y ago
  I don't see a lot of value in what you are saying, which amounts to: A certain country that is rich as anything might get poor 50 or 100 years from now, and the majority of people in that country are of a certain religion and so a lot of people of that religion may decide to relocate and when to hey do, they may come to Europe. And if they do ... so what?
  - ps4fanboy 11y ago
    Mass immigration is hard on everyone involved, it being a particular religion isnt really relevant. Just saying people will need to stop with the islamiphobia because its predominately Islamic people will become a major component of west/European populations when the PetroOil economy breaks down. What is the value of this post that you commented on? Value is subjective.
    - bbcbasic 11y ago
      > Just saying people will need to stop with the islamiphobia because its predominately Islamic people will become a major component of west/European populations This adds the value.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >so a lot of people of that religion may decide to relocate and when to hey do, they may come to Europe. And if they do ... so what? Imagine you favorite town. Say, NY. Imagine 20 million people of a certain religion relocating there. Could be Muslims, hardcore religious nuts from the South, whatever. Imagine them changing the culture of the place towards their religious views and customs. E.g. persecuting gays. Enforcing strict restrictions to their women (and other women). Not in the "melting pot", ethnic-flavor cutesy way of NY, in the "we are too many of us now here and we want things a certain way". This can happen to a place. And it has already happened to certain places, neighborhoods in Europe and elsewhere. The inverse can happen too: a place get full of Westerners, expats, etc, and they alter its color, buy the government to do them favors, pass their own laws, even sponsor a full blown sex industry with the locals as victims, like in Thailand. Usually with them it's through influence though, from their power and wealth, not from their numbers.
gozur88 11y ago
>Countries which try and share the wealth of the oil i.e keep it a state owned affair are quickly labelled extremist and a threat to 'democracy' and 'world peace', then are bombed to oblivion. Oh? When did we bomb Norway?
- sydneysider 11y ago
  Exception to the rule, much easier to paint the middle east or south American countries as 'the other' than your own neighbour. Also there are more types of war than just dropping bombs, maybe I should have clarified.
  - gozur88 11y ago
    When did we bomb Venezuela? When did we bomb Russia, or Nigeria? When did we bomb Mexico?
    - zhemao 11y ago
      To be fair, we (the US) did invade Mexico several times.
      - maaku 11y ago
        But not over oil.
        coldtea 11y ago
        No, over land, and other strategic interests at the time.
      - gozur88 11y ago
        If by several you mean "once". Chasing a criminal isn't the same thing as an invasion. And the war with Mexico occurred thirteen years before the US started using oil commercially. This "wars for oil" stuff is something a lot of people repeat to themselves without really thinking about it.

ps4fanboy 11y ago

I think you miss understand what I am saying, By them I am referring to the country, for example Food is heavily subsidized by the government in Saudi Arabia. This subsidy is funded by the huge wealth the government has earned via taxes on the exports of oil. I cant find the source but I believe the Saudi government still has trillions of USD in surplus.

bbcbasic 11y ago
I don't see a lot of value in what you are saying, which amounts to: A certain country that is rich as anything might get poor 50 or 100 years from now, and the majority of people in that country are of a certain religion and so a lot of people of that religion may decide to relocate and when to hey do, they may come to Europe. And if they do ... so what?
- ps4fanboy 11y ago
  Mass immigration is hard on everyone involved, it being a particular religion isnt really relevant. Just saying people will need to stop with the islamiphobia because its predominately Islamic people will become a major component of west/European populations when the PetroOil economy breaks down. What is the value of this post that you commented on? Value is subjective.
  - bbcbasic 11y ago
    > Just saying people will need to stop with the islamiphobia because its predominately Islamic people will become a major component of west/European populations This adds the value.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >so a lot of people of that religion may decide to relocate and when to hey do, they may come to Europe. And if they do ... so what? Imagine you favorite town. Say, NY. Imagine 20 million people of a certain religion relocating there. Could be Muslims, hardcore religious nuts from the South, whatever. Imagine them changing the culture of the place towards their religious views and customs. E.g. persecuting gays. Enforcing strict restrictions to their women (and other women). Not in the "melting pot", ethnic-flavor cutesy way of NY, in the "we are too many of us now here and we want things a certain way". This can happen to a place. And it has already happened to certain places, neighborhoods in Europe and elsewhere. The inverse can happen too: a place get full of Westerners, expats, etc, and they alter its color, buy the government to do them favors, pass their own laws, even sponsor a full blown sex industry with the locals as victims, like in Thailand. Usually with them it's through influence though, from their power and wealth, not from their numbers.

gozur88 11y ago

>Countries which try and share the wealth of the oil i.e keep it a state owned affair are quickly labelled extremist and a threat to 'democracy' and 'world peace', then are bombed to oblivion. Oh? When did we bomb Norway?

sydneysider 11y ago
Exception to the rule, much easier to paint the middle east or south American countries as 'the other' than your own neighbour. Also there are more types of war than just dropping bombs, maybe I should have clarified.
- gozur88 11y ago
  When did we bomb Venezuela? When did we bomb Russia, or Nigeria? When did we bomb Mexico?
  - zhemao 11y ago
    To be fair, we (the US) did invade Mexico several times.
    - maaku 11y ago
      But not over oil.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        No, over land, and other strategic interests at the time.
    - gozur88 11y ago
      If by several you mean "once". Chasing a criminal isn't the same thing as an invasion. And the war with Mexico occurred thirteen years before the US started using oil commercially. This "wars for oil" stuff is something a lot of people repeat to themselves without really thinking about it.