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There is good journalism out there - you just have to be more picky to weed out all the bad sources. Fivethirtyeight is probably my favorite resource. Even thou

by nsgoetz 11y ago

There is good journalism out there - you just have to be more picky to weed out all the bad sources. Fivethirtyeight is probably my favorite resource. Even though they have a niche, that niche is data driven articles, which to me means evidence driven journalism. I'll never get 100% of my news from them, but it is a strong start. I honestly am not sure how they make money. I know they are owned by ESPN (so... Disney by extension?), but not much more than that.

ghaff 11y ago
ESPN makes big bucks off football--in particular. FiveThirtyEight adds Dara-driven highbrow to their coverage. The rest is even more loss leader.
- Godel_unicode 11y ago
  I'm confused, are you saying that more journalists should not try to emulate this model of using data and science to determine what's really going on?
  - ghaff 11y ago
    No. I was responding to a question about how they make money. They probably don't really but serve as a loss leader for ESPN. That's not a comment on how things should've but how they are. I do think that data journalism in general is a positive trend but am not sure it makes a big impact in the news business model.
FussyZeus 11y ago
"Good" journalism is extremely subjective and in my experience aligns more with the political leanings of the consumer than with any measurable qualities. I'm not saying it's ALL crap of course, there are plenty of real reporters researching real things (ironically enough, most of them are at Buzzfeed lately) but the vast majority of coverage is just parroting other publications with their own slant added to avoid copyright issues. I mean how many times has some completely made up and utterly nonsense story gone from a twitter post to all over our most credible newspapers because nobody bothered to Google it before putting on Page 1?

4 ms·

There is good journalism out there - you just have to be more picky to weed out all the bad sources. Fivethirtyeight is probably my favorite resource. Even thou

by nsgoetz 11y ago

ghaff 11y ago
ESPN makes big bucks off football--in particular. FiveThirtyEight adds Dara-driven highbrow to their coverage. The rest is even more loss leader.
- Godel_unicode 11y ago
  I'm confused, are you saying that more journalists should not try to emulate this model of using data and science to determine what's really going on?
  - ghaff 11y ago
    No. I was responding to a question about how they make money. They probably don't really but serve as a loss leader for ESPN. That's not a comment on how things should've but how they are. I do think that data journalism in general is a positive trend but am not sure it makes a big impact in the news business model.
FussyZeus 11y ago
"Good" journalism is extremely subjective and in my experience aligns more with the political leanings of the consumer than with any measurable qualities. I'm not saying it's ALL crap of course, there are plenty of real reporters researching real things (ironically enough, most of them are at Buzzfeed lately) but the vast majority of coverage is just parroting other publications with their own slant added to avoid copyright issues. I mean how many times has some completely made up and utterly nonsense story gone from a twitter post to all over our most credible newspapers because nobody bothered to Google it before putting on Page 1?