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This claim seems dubious at best. There's no proof that they got access, and it's in their best interest to claim they did. On one hand, I'm not totally sure we

by bradhe 11y ago

This claim seems dubious at best. There's no proof that they got access, and it's in their best interest to claim they did. On one hand, I'm not totally sure we should assume that they're not capable of gaining access to iPhones willy-nilly. On the other hand, I'm re-evaluating my security posture...

GraemeLion 11y ago
Apple has, as part of the case, admitted that data access was obtained by the FBI. Unless they're in on it too, of course.
r00fus 11y ago
Why would it be dubious? It's an older phone without a secure enclave - that's subject to the NAND mirroring trick. Then again, why can't Apple sue Cellebrite under the DMCA for bypassing their security?
molecule 11y ago
> This claim seems dubious at best. There's no proof that they got access, and it's in their best interest to claim they did. Wouldn't that be perjury? https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2778264-Apple-Status-Report.html#document/p1/a285980 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2778264-Apple-Status...
- imron 11y ago
  Sure, but what's a little perjury between government officials: http://www.salon.com/2013/06/12/how_james_clapper_will_get_away_with_perjury/ http://www.salon.com/2013/06/12/how_james_clapper_will_get_a...
  - fncypants 11y ago
    Lying to an indifferent, disagreeable, and dysfunctional legislature is one thing. Lying directly to a federal judge with contempt power is how one ends up in jail before packing up your suitcase and walking out the courtroom.
    - cdash 11y ago
      Not for something like this.
    - imron 11y ago
      I wish it wasn't so easy for you to just pass off what James Clapper did as if it was something of little consequence. It should have been something of consequence.
anigbrowl 11y ago
Well if they got access and there is any data that helps them bring prosecutions (eg against the neighbor who;s charged with helping the alleged terrorists) they'll have to say where that evidence originated.

by bradhe 11y ago

GraemeLion 11y ago

Apple has, as part of the case, admitted that data access was obtained by the FBI. Unless they're in on it too, of course.

r00fus 11y ago

Why would it be dubious? It's an older phone without a secure enclave - that's subject to the NAND mirroring trick. Then again, why can't Apple sue Cellebrite under the DMCA for bypassing their security?

molecule 11y ago

> This claim seems dubious at best. There's no proof that they got access, and it's in their best interest to claim they did. Wouldn't that be perjury? https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2778264-Apple-Status-Report.html#document/p1/a285980 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2778264-Apple-Status...

imron 11y ago
Sure, but what's a little perjury between government officials: http://www.salon.com/2013/06/12/how_james_clapper_will_get_away_with_perjury/ http://www.salon.com/2013/06/12/how_james_clapper_will_get_a...
- fncypants 11y ago
  Lying to an indifferent, disagreeable, and dysfunctional legislature is one thing. Lying directly to a federal judge with contempt power is how one ends up in jail before packing up your suitcase and walking out the courtroom.
  - cdash 11y ago
    Not for something like this.
  - imron 11y ago
    I wish it wasn't so easy for you to just pass off what James Clapper did as if it was something of little consequence. It should have been something of consequence.

anigbrowl 11y ago

Well if they got access and there is any data that helps them bring prosecutions (eg against the neighbor who;s charged with helping the alleged terrorists) they'll have to say where that evidence originated.