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Being honest sometimes results in being a jerk. No big deal, an emotionally mature adult can handle it.
by tdkl 11y ago
Being honest sometimes results in being a jerk. No big deal, an emotionally mature adult can handle it.
- ska 11y agoYour last statement is true, but your first one couldn't be more wrong. Being honest never requires being a jerk. That is always a choice you make.
- nomercypercy 11y agoCan we all agree that saying sorry for your loss when people are obviously buying into a hype bubble is not "being a jerk". A lot of people will lose a lot of money here, just like with Bitcoin bubbles. "It could also be described as a situation in which asset prices appear to be based on implausible or inconsistent views about the future." - Wikipedia, Economic Bubble (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_bubble https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_bubble) That is exactly what is happening here and anyone denying it is probably a person who bought earlier than you.
- edo 11y agoI would like to argue that being a jerk even devalues the argument one is making. Because through being a jerk (which requires as much effort as bringing it in a more neutral way), one provides proof of subjective involvement. This subjective involvement detracts from your credibility as a source of reason.
- ska 11y agoI agree, but think this is orthogonal to my point.
- randomnumber314 11y agoIf I tell a fat person that they're fat, and they are, they can perceive that I'm being a jerk, but they're still fat, and my statement is still objectively true. The perception of the truth being spoken by me as negative comes from the receiver--it's their issue with the statement that attaches emotion, not mine. Remove context from his statement and surrogate anything we have objective knowledge of (e.g. housing market 2009) and the statement morphs from "arrogant prediction and condescension" to an appropriate comment on reality.
- ska 11y agoRemove the context from a statement and it is no longer communication. There are very few contexts I can think of where "telling a fat person they are fat" is useful information for that person. "Being honest" isn't a valid defense against being an asshat.
- nix_said 11y agoPointing out an obvious speculative bubble is not being an asshat. Being a person who hypes something deflationary that they already own is being an asshat. "t could also be described as a situation in which asset prices appear to be based on implausible or inconsistent views about the future." Economic Bubble, Wikipedia
- burkaman 11y agoNo, it's still arrogant and condescending. Telling a fat person they're fat, in the context of a discussion about their health, is fine. Telling them they're fat and then saying "Sorry for your diabetes and early death" is being a dick. It doesn't matter if you're right, it's unnecessary.
- dang 11y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11373253 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11373253 and marked it off-topic.