I meant to be somewhat flippant. "Sarcastic..." You have made some good points, tadfisher, especially with respect to the ARM architectures being fragmented, an

I meant to be somewhat flippant. "Sarcastic..." You have made some good points, tadfisher, especially with respect to the ARM architectures being fragmented, and the ART compiler. I take those points, and indeed, I do respect the JVM because it is an awesome piece of engineering to be giving up very little for the consistent target it provides. And let's be fair, Java and Scala are not slow languages. I have more of a philosophical problem with the JVM on the desktop and server ecosystems as these don't really need it anymore - arguably - and also, you have to admit that JVM languages still force you down an OO route which is not always very elegant. Even Clojure (apparently) needs to breathe in some ugly OO syntax if you want to touch the (admittedly huge) Java ecosystem. Look I use JVM tech: Cassandra in particular, am very impressed with it (I also code in Java to the Bloomberg API - less impressed with that). I don't love the JVM as you've gathered, for purist reasons and the fact that it takes me into a slightly dull corporate sort of culture, but I know that it has advantages. Anyway fun sparring with you. good points.